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| quote: | Originally posted by BOOM ZIG BOOM!!
And Yes punisher I'm in highschool, grade 10. How about yourself? |
I'm a senior in college. It looks as though you need a course in basic grammar before you even try to graduate from high school.
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
Anyways just because someone takes the pope or the bible to the extreme dosent make him more catholic than anyone else. Thats just a dumbfuck comment. |
No, sorry. The dumbfuck comment comes from you this time around. There is a huge difference between calling yourself something and actually believing in it.
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
interesting that you talk about little hitler's. the national socialist regime had some of those exact views as you just stated there. are u a proponent for euthanasia and assisted-suicide? hitler certainly was. yes, help the gene pool and lets put evolution into motion. natural selection. the weak die, and the strong survive.
i certainly agree with you that she should have died back in 1990. she's unnaturally being kept alive. maybe if they followed "God's Will" and just have let her die a natural death. all this would have never happened. |
Congratulations. You just completely contradicted yourself.
Oh, and to conclude that I support euthanasia is fine... because I do support it in cases where the person made it clear at some point in time that they would not want to be kept alive under circumstances that prevent them from enjoying life. According to Schiavo's husband, who has the legal right to make the decision, this is the case in her situation. Euthanasia can only be considered murder when the person has, at some point, expressed their wish to remain living even if that means that they need to be on some kind of life support to do so.
As far as assisted suicide... I find your comment laughable. There's a big difference between someone asking to die and someone who is brain damaged to the point that they are hardly conscious of the fact that they are alive. Schiavo's parents claim that she responds to them. That's a load of tripe. Her brain is severely damaged. She can't feed herself. She can barely move. She can't talk. She has no control over her own body. There is nothing "assisted", here. She's going to die because she can't survive on her own. No one is helping the process along. If anything, her doctors were simply prolonging the inevitable end that she would have met if things went according to "God's plan" in the first place. (Intervening in "His" plan is contradictory to begin with.)
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
see how angry you are sober? you need to just believe me dude
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Give it up, already, man. I'm not pulling another binge with you. 
| quote: | Originally posted by Hedron
I wouldn't call myself pro-life but when you have girls using abortion as a form of birth control there needs to be more restrictions on it ... I know it's easier said than done ... but abortion is murder that is a plain and simple undeniable fact ... there is a such thing as adoption, there are plenty of sterile childless couples that are desperate to have babies ... and the bottom line is if you're not ready to have a kid then don't have sex |
I don't disagree with you on the issue of not having sex if you aren't ready to have a child. I do, however, disagree with you on the issue of abortion being murder. A fetus is physically a part of the mother right up until the point at which the child is born. It is entirely dependent on the mother's survival. Therefore, you cannot define it as murder. I will be honest in stating that I can't think of a better way to define it... but it's certainly not murder.
This, however, does not mean that I agree with abortion. On the contrary, I am of the opinion that I do not have a say in the matter because I do not have a uterus.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
The reason why you're so mad at the Christian view is probably because you seem to be as extreme in your position as they are. Keep in mind that it's your belief that she's allowed to die. You're as limited as any human being, so you can't place yourself as the owner of the truth. I do agree with you that keeping her alive is cruel but certainly, our opinion on that is, to say the least, superfluous.
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Superfluous or not, you cannot defend keeping her alive based on religious principle because there is no mention of life support in the Bible. Therefore, it is a MORAL DECISION, not a religious one. Of course, you could argue that your morals are based on your religion, but then you would also have to present a definition of murder based on your religion. No one is murdering Schiavo. She is dying because she cannot survive without a feeding tube. Therefore, she is dying on her own. That's death, not murder.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Easy now. First of all, the first point doesn't follow any sense of logic, in fact, it is an ad hominem type of fallacy. Second of all, sure women have the right to do what they feel better for their body. But, until the last time I've checked, I'm not part of my mother, thankfully.
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Oh, but you WERE a part of your mother... for nine whole months! You couldn't have survived on your own as a fetus. Therefore, you were part of your mother. Deductive reasoning.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Finally, if you support abortion, that's once again a belief of yours. If the majority (or most powerful people) in your country disagree with you, well, tough luck.
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A majority of people in my country can't possibly disagree with me because I refuse to take a stance one way or the other. I can see where pro-life supporters make valid points and I can see where pro-choice supporters make valid points. Once again, I don't have a uterus, so I don't feel like I have a say in the matter. That's not what this thread is about, anyway. This thread is about my anger at people who try to force their views on other people when they aren't even their views. People look to their religion for answers instead of trying to come up with intelligent answers of their own.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Even though I do support gay union as well, I cannot demand a similar opinion from those who believe it's wrong because they're allowed to have an opinion as well. Like I said before, if they happen to rule your country, remember life is not the way we want anyway.
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Whether it's moral and whether it's legal are two entirely separate issues in the case of gay marriage. Take the United States, for example. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize people of color and give them rights legally equal to those of everyone else. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize men and women as equals and subsequently given women more legal rights. As a nation, we have even chosen to recognize that not all people have the same sexual preference.
Where are their rights, now?
Oh, shit. Glaring contradiction, anyone?
When it's all said and done... what it comes down to is this...
Without religion, everyone would be equal. Every war, every legal decision, every national debate that we have EVER had has some root in religion.
Think about that for a minute.
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1. Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness (Oliver Lieb's Main Mix)
2. Klea - Tic Toc (Paul Van Dyk's Re-Edit)
3. Alibi - Eternity (Inner City Mix)
4. Cirque de Soleil - Pokinoi (Sasha Mix)
5. Chris & Kai vs. Levin - Gone to Heaven
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That's the way it works in that religion.
