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Originally posted by isoterra that was jan johnston & mavie marcos (from andain) personally don't see what's with all the arguments about not judging singers until you hear them live. if you only want them for studio work, and they can sound good in a studio, then i don't see what the problem is?

So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

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Originally posted by Blue. So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

Yes. If it sounds good then I couldn't really give a shit how much production work goes into it.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes As for your list of "trance voices", don't include Sarah Mclachlan, she's not even a trance vocalist besides the fact that she doesn't even have the voice for trance (but a great voice or other styles nonetheless)>

well, why doesn't she have the voice for trance?? i know she isn't a ''trance vocalist'', but her voice is beautiful and there are some great remixes including her voice! stupid(hyper remix), silence(tiesto remix), i love you(bt remix), fallen(g&d remix)

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Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto.



Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment.

In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference.

basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices.

Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!.
Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

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Originally posted by Blue. So when you like a vocal talent it isn't for their voice but for what a team of engineers can do to it?

Mavie Marcos and Jes Brieden cant sing live, but in studio they are unbelieveable.. i dont think that has all to do about the engineer, but if it has i dont care, cause i doubt ill ever hear them live (irl) :P

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Originally posted by JakeC Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto. Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment. In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference. basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices. Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!. Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

And this guy works in a studio.

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Originally posted by JakeC Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

didn't think there was an authentic acapella in circulation? only one i've ever seen has an inpersonater singing


point i was trying to get across is why bother spending time hunting out 'true great singers' when you can get anyone with a nice vocal tone & brush them up in a studio. if you were looking for a live performance singer then i could see how all this would be relevant, but if it's just for studio work then i really can't see the problem?

It was an official acapella not a fake.

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Originally posted by JakeC It was an official acapella not a fake.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman I like broccoli.

Me too.

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Originally posted by JakeC Hydranes: You can fake high notes, its called falsetto. Let me tell you that every singer even the ones you think are vocal divas have effects/editing/pitchshifting on there voices wether its in a live or studio enviroment. In a project i was doin in college (an authentic remake of bohemian rhapsody) a whole vocal line was sung out of tune we selected each note and pitch shifted it and i tell you no one would ever tell the difference. basically if you want true great singers look to the times before digital studios and samplers ( pre 1979 as that was when the fairlight sampler was invented ). You also need to look at the opera singers who have truly powerful voices. Jan Johnston ye she has a great studio voice but other wise, meh!. Sarah Mclachlan fucks up hard on the acapella of Silence and thats after processing.

Yes, and I am quite aware of the difference between a voice in reality and a voice processed in the studio. But here's the deal. We're discussing all the vocalists on a studio level, and therefore we can judge on that criterion. If we were able to hear all the vocalists live, then that would probably be the best method, but it ain't gonna happen.

And as much as voice is enhanced, I can't conceive for the life of me that Kirsty's impressively high-pitched vocal section on Walking on Clouds was merely digitally produced apart from her actually being able to hit the note. There may be a level of enhancing, but that's the scenario with all vocals. The argument about not judging a vocalist before you hear them live is ridiculous. We can base our judgment on what we have heard vis-a-vis other vocalists undergoing the same treatment.

I would also like to point out that Kirsty's solo Album "OUT" gives a good example of her voice, and although it is standardly "studioized" to some extent (as all other music is), it sounds very close to reality.