Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA
quote:
Originally posted by Orko
I think they just feel a bit ripped off, when standards change, and extra upgrade costs are created.
Most people don't feel ripped off when their Dell computer becomes "not the latest" 3 years after purchase - nor should they feel that way about their TVs.
People need to adjust their views on media technologies (to have them more in line with computing technology).
TV's are now computers with big screens. Technology changes, things evolve, upgrades are required.
I don't feel ripped off because my PIII-700 doesn't run all the latest and greatest games. Nor should someone with a top of the line TV (i.e. generally early adopter technology/costs) feel ripped off when they have to get a new one 3 to 4 years later (if you're going to buy an early adopter product - be prepared to pay for it and not complain).
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Aug-29-2006 03:35
psychosomatica
500 posts. What a shame.
Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto
All this technology is useless anyway... Throw all the money you want into it.. it WILL be pirated. I'm willing to bet anyone any amount of money on it.. might as well spend the money making better media..
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Aug-29-2006 03:42
dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
quote:
Originally posted by psychosomatica
All this technology is useless anyway... Throw all the money you want into it.. it WILL be pirated. I'm willing to bet anyone any amount of money on it.. might as well spend the money making better media..
i think the value of intellectual property is being redefined through piracy. the cost of something non-tangible seems to be more relative these days..
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Aug-29-2006 03:45
psychosomatica
500 posts. What a shame.
Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto
Sony spent $2B usd on putting piracy protection on audio cds way back when.. the work around was to take a permanent marker and write over a certain part.
I think there's only one type of anti-piracy method they haven't cracked yet.. and it will be done in due time. They're offloading the costs of piracy onto everyday consumers by making you buy all this crap which WILL be worked around in weeks.. if not months.. I think it's a losing battle for the entertainment lobby groups.
To be perfectly honest.. I believe that guys at the MPAA and RIAA could price piracy out.. I mean.. the marginal cost of distribution of media is a joke..but they're hanging onto the good ol' times with ridiculous margins on their products. I'm not saying they can't do that.. but hey.. you can't live in lalaland forever..
edit: why i originally replied.. yes desidel i agree.. intellectual property has more perceived value nowadays.. that being said.. they're fighting a losing battle
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Aug-29-2006 03:59
rabbitjoker
aural sadist
Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA
quote:
Originally posted by psychosomatica
To be perfectly honest.. I believe that guys at the MPAA and RIAA could price piracy out..
Here you are wrong.
The truth is that 60% of the cost of $10 CD goes into production and album marketing (ads + payloa). The remaining 40% goes into the media costs and distribution channel (which includes retailer marketing).
iTunes sells tracks for $1 each and people still steal.
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Aug-29-2006 04:04
dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
i've always wondered whether downloading something you have no intent to buy is stealing. i mean, by definition i suppose it is, but in the true sense one has not denied another the right to own that piece of intellectual property. if i download a Britney Spears album, that I wouldn't otherwise have bought whether it was available on the internet or not, does it do Britney any harm? If anything she might actually benefit through the free distribution of her music thus making it more popular. I might even like it enough to eventually go see her in concert. I'll admit, I actually buy music that i thoroughly enjoy to support the artist. But at the same time there's so much crap out there that I wouldn't even pay a dime for.
anyways, i think i went off on some tangent here.. the original topic of this thread was about pirated DVDs being sold, this i agree is theft in probably the worse sense..
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Aug-29-2006 04:27
Jem_hadar
I remember...
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Pandora (South of Nowhere)
quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
iTunes sells tracks for $1 each and people still steal.
I know I'd use iTunes more if the damn Mp3s weren't protected! Being forced to use iTunes or WMP really ticks me off and kills my desire to spend that dollar. I've gone w/o music for far to long bc of this annoying factor!
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Aug-29-2006 04:30
Jem_hadar
I remember...
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Pandora (South of Nowhere)
quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
anyways, i think i went off on some tangent here..
I enjoyed your provoking rant. ^5
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Aug-29-2006 04:32
rabbitjoker
aural sadist
Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA
quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
i've always wondered whether downloading something you have no intent to buy is stealing.
That is like saying: taking a chocolate bar from the corner store with no intention to eat it is not stealing.
Bottom line - one is taking something of value from the creator without paying for it. Theft.
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Aug-29-2006 04:55
rabbitjoker
aural sadist
Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA
quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar
I know I'd use iTunes more if the damn Mp3s weren't protected! Being forced to use iTunes or WMP really ticks me off and kills my desire to spend that dollar. I've gone w/o music for far to long bc of this annoying factor!
Your license allows you to burn it to a CD and enjoy it with whatever media player (or hardware) you choose.
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Aug-29-2006 04:56
dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
That is like saying: taking a chocolate bar from the corner store with no intention to eat it is not stealing.
Bottom line - one is taking something of value from the creator without paying for it. Theft.
true, although I'm referring to something intangible here. if i download a track i hav no intent to buy, whether it's available for me to download on the internet or not, i'm not preventing anyone else from buying that track.
the same cannot be said about that chocolate bar.
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Aug-29-2006 04:59
Misanthrope
Lest We Forget
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Cause every time you turn on the music, I can't control what comes over me.
quote:
Originally posted by me@t k@tie
I JUST got back from the P mall with my Lukey!! <3 We looove going there...there is this place in the food court that has the BEST sweet and sour chicken on rice! mmmmmmmmmmmm
and i always stock up on men's pocky sticks and lychee candy when we are there!
bahahahahhah I thought of you when I opened this thread.