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Originally posted by Trancer-X The whole point should be that none of that spending is really necessary if the function of our government hadn't grown by such leaps and bounds to be what it is today.

Well we have the situation as it is; what does this have to do with not wanting to help the less fortunate again?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Well we have the situation as it is; what does this have to do with not wanting to help the less fortunate again?

And the greatest part is that they created the situation in order to take advantage of it. They obviously knew full well what they were doing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about helping the less fortunate. It's just that in order to ensure that a man doesn't go hungry in the future you need to actually teach him how to fish as opposed to just giving him a few fish on the first day of each month. The latter is for the most part what our government does and that only creates a situation of adverse dependency.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby It says a lot of negative things about your personality and unhealthy world view that would point out those 8 cents and not the obvious 42 cents... Good luck man...

World view? Those eight cents go to help our nations poorest or actually laziest. I don't want that. We should actually put those eight cents in areas that could be useful like in saving our environment or putting more of that money into medical research/treatment that could save millions of lifes that die unneccasarily. Or how about putting some more money into education?
Also, I think you have forgotten that if you wanted to help the world's poorest than you could always volunteer and do it for free. Or have you ever seen those beggers in the cities walking down the street asking for money? Have you ever given any money to any of those? Probably not. Why? Because you don't care yet you are willing for the government to give away our money to them for free. And you consider yourself a model citizen for that? You are being silly.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Don't worry, they're still working on it. The need to finish molding public opinion first.

I believe it is a process of doing it just like the way the Russians kicked out the mongols of Russia. It didn't just happen in one battle. It was a very long process but eventually they succeeded. So yeah the elite are having no difficulty with their plan. Remember it is a series of slow processes, and not a single battle for the win.

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Originally posted by ams.rld World view? Those eight cents go to help our nations poorest or actually laziest. I don't want that. We should actually put those eight cents in areas that could be useful like in saving our environment or putting more of that money into medical research/treatment that could save millions of lifes that die unneccasarily. Or how about putting some more money into education? Also, I think you have forgotten that if you wanted to help the world's poorest than you could always volunteer and do it for free. Or have you ever seen those beggers in the cities walking down the street asking for money? Have you ever given any money to any of those? Probably not. Why? Because you don't care yet you are willing for the government to give away our money to them for free. And you consider yourself a model citizen for that? You are being silly.

I wasn't insinuating any of this wasn't true.

I was saying it's messed up that you would pick up on the 8 cents when the glaring pile of money towards the war would probably warrant your disgust far more than helping the poor.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I wasn't insinuating any of this wasn't true. I was saying it's messed up that you would pick up on the 8 cents when the glaring pile of money towards the war would probably warrant your disgust far more than helping the poor.

He was obviously looking for some kind of an emotional response. Noone in their right mind could really take pleasure in depriving anyone of anything, let alone from the poor.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I know Especially Tony Blair, who doesn't make it any kind of real secret http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4944100.stm

Heh, just because it has the word "society" in its name doesn't mean its a secret society! The Fabians are simply a left (ish) wing think tank, nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not secretive!!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Heh, just because it has the word "society" in its name doesn't mean its a secret society! The Fabians are simply a left (ish) wing think tank, nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not secretive!!

You don't need to restate the obvious regarding "society" but in regards to the Fabians, I'm sure it's safe to assume that you know that from what you've read and heard rather than from the personal experience of being in their inner circle.

What you said is exactly what they'd want you to think.

Famous author H. G. Wells called them "the new Machiavellians" upon is quitting their society

Erm no I am not a member (altho I am eligable for membership) but trust me, it really is simply a think tank (a left leaning one)

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Originally posted by George Smiley but trust me, it really is simply a think tank (a left leaning one)

That's also what they say about the CFR and the Trilateral Commission (and I'm sure also the RIIA)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X That's also what they say about the CFR and the Trilateral Commission (and I'm sure also the RIIA)

If that's what "they" ( ) say about them, what do you say about these organisations?

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Originally posted by George Smiley If that's what "they" ( ) say about them, what do you say about these organisations?

I'm rather suspect of them. I believe that they were created in order to destroy my country's sovereignty.