GEORGRE CARLIN


"In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.

Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!"

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Thats all fine and dandy...but i am not an atheist I am a Secular Humanist bordering Deism. And what religous site did u pull that from? Propoganda

I didnt pull that from any site, it was written by me, on my electromegnatron keyboard.

What the fuck is wrong with you, how is what I said religious (learn to spell idiot) and how is it propganda?

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I didnt pull that from any site, it was written by me, on my electromegnatron keyboard. What the fuck is wrong with you, how is what I said religious (learn to spell idiot) and how is it propganda?

When you can not inssult me, then i will talk with you....but i find u obnoxious.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 When you can not inssult me, then i will talk with you....but i find u obnoxious.

When you can spell properly, I will speak with you.

You're only saying this because you fail to answer my questions.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps When you can spell properly, I will speak with you. You're only saying this because you fail to answer my questions.

No i am saying it because i strongly beleive u are rude.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 No i am saying it because i strongly beleive u are rude.

You still have not answered my questions.

I'm sorry I offend you so much, most people arent intimidated by a 16 year old fag to the extent where they back out of an internet arguement like this.

you guys are retarded. way to ruin a thread.

yeah seriously
anyways, in hopes of sparking up something i'll post my 2 cents without referring to any flames or even constructive posts from this thread. also note, as this is completely opinion based, you MUST realize in threads like this, when people say x is y, they imply that they BELIEVE x is y.

basically, i believe religion to be bullshit. before all the religious people reading this take offense, know that i believe religion to be bullshit in the same way that you believe that heaven and hell exist. that said, i'm actually very interested in the whole subject of religion. religion, in my opinion, is based around conformity, fear, and hope. its all the things humans need.

We need hope for when things look like everything's falling through and you might need something to urge you to keep living. We need fear to keep us from doing things we even might know are hurtful or wrong, so that the general wellbeing of mankind is preserved. And we need conformity just as a way of social comfort. If all of us held similar values but vastly different beliefs, things would be a lot weirder. People find comfort in once weekly visiting a house of worship and seeking comfort in god, but also because millions of others are doing the same thing, so it must be working, right?

Also, i should partially retract my statement earlier that religion is bullshit. Or at least rephrase it. Western/worship-based religion is bullshit. Worship, above all, is bullshit. I would love (and i don't mean this in a sardonic manner) for someone to tell me why worship is so important. I honestly don't get it. I usually divide religion loosely into eastern and western religions. loosely in that there are obviously going to be exceptions. The eastern 'religions' i refer to are those based on philosophy, not worship, e.g. confucianism and buddhism. these 'religions' are based more on codes of conduct and ways of living, because these are the best ways to live. while principles like this exist in christianity, for example, they are in place because God told his people to live this way, and to disobey the rules was to go to hell and be eternally damned.

What i get from this distinction is one main difference between the two streams of thought. western religions promote good behaviour and morals by threatening punishment if you do otherwise; eastern religions promote good behaviour by teaching the way to live peacefully happily and civilly. so while i don't like the concept to be thrown around haphazardly, i do believe western religions are fear based, which i think is very wrong.

i could go on for hours, but lets hear some feedback or counter-arguments for this much

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taking what you said on a purely sociological perspective, one can almost see religion as a kind of Slang. Its a particular mode of speech and vernacular that creates an identity, and not only identity, but an ingroup and an outgroup.

religion is a fascinating study of human interaction and the attempt to be connected and be a "self"

then again, whos to say theyre wrong hehe. Its basically a pointless argument, and no one can convince eachother. Im just glad Ive gone past the whole point of arguing about religion.

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Originally posted by Orbax taking what you said on a purely sociological perspective, one can almost see religion as a kind of Slang. Its a particular mode of speech and vernacular that creates an identity, and not only identity, but an ingroup and an outgroup. religion is a fascinating study of human interaction and the attempt to be connected and be a "self" then again, whos to say theyre wrong hehe. Its basically a pointless argument, and no one can convince eachother. Im just glad Ive gone past the whole point of arguing about religion.

and yet again, based on sociology, religion is one of the 4 compenents necessary for socialization. Others include education, family and government. I feel religion or any means of spirituality to be a mature development of the human psyche. For example, I don't necessarily agree in organized/congregated religion but i do believe that each individual must obtain some means of spiritual development to prosper in life. For example, I believe in Karma. This would align with Plato's technique that we need a social contract. Organic theory: we feel one anothers pain, as if it were our own. Life, Liberty and Property is not one's own individuals possession's but rather everyone's. There is no nuclear family, but rather all of us as one. Philanthropists who obtain excess resource ex. money, need to lend that out to others who lack possession. Know thy neighbor. Now days, everything is blockaded with a 5 ft tall wooden fence. We no longer obtain social skills because we pay automated computer systems at grocery stores rather than human beings. Hell, do we even know how to socialize? TA by no means helps either... omg im so drunk. scratch this . This irrelvant post has produced no rationality to the context at hand. what was the question lol ? yes, i want kids !

Your post didnt make sense until the last couple of lines lol