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Originally posted by Moral Hazard To quote the great Canadian former PM Jean Chretian "Where's da proof? I mean da proof is da proof an' if dere is da proof an' it is da good proof den it is proven." Unless you can cite studies that prove positive thinking cures disease then all you have is anectotal, non-coroborated, stories of unexplained recovery that may or may not be corollated to a positive state of mind.

What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

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Originally posted by Estella What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

Hippies.

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Originally posted by UWM Hippies.

hahaah true. You don't think there's any validity?

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Originally posted by UWM And you can't make it to Sasha? Teh sad

i know. it sucks but i've learned to expect (and accept) it.

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I'm sure there is some validity behind some of it, or else people wouldn't come up with it in the first place. I don't really have any background knowledge of that stuff, so I can't comment on it's foundations nor can I really comment on any of the results. I just know from my life experiences that of all the people who I've met who believe in those sort of things, almost 100% of them are people I would classify as 'Hippy'

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Originally posted by Estella What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

Just because they exist does not mean they are valid.

With regard to holistic treatments and alternative medicines they must be taken on a case by case basis.

Holistic simply means that the treatment treats the entire person rather then one condition. Massage therapy is a holistic treatment. There is hard science backing up the health benefits of most of the Sweedish techniques, myofacial manipulation, strain/counterstrain, trigger point thereapy, hydro therapy, etc. Thus I accept health benefits can be attributed to massage therapy. Raki is also considered a holistic treatment, however, there is no scientific study that has been accepted by the courts (in Canada or the US anyway.... which is all I'm concerned about as those are the jurisdictions I practice in) that corollates Raki to health benefits. Subsequently, I cannot accept Raki as a valid medical practice.

Alternative medicines are very tricky as some of them have proven benefits and others do not. For instance, St. John's Wart is proven to have a mild effect on brain chemistry which acts simillarly to a mild anti-depresent. There are known benefits to St. John's Wart. There is no accepted study that shows that placing leaches on one's body can cure small pox, therefore this is not a valid medical treatment. It has to be taken on a case by case basis, just because one "alternative medicine" is proven to work does not mean all will.

As for religion, I do not involve myself as this is a highly personal matter and I refuse to question anyone's beliefs in this regard.

The long and short of it is this.... If the aflicted person believes they are receiving benefit from one treatment or another then they should continue to believe in the validity of that treatment and continue to receive it. Ultimately the patient must judge as they are the responsible for their own health. The one caveot I place on this is that unless there is acceptable science supporting a course of treatment I CANNOT accept it as valid, the courts CANNOT accept it as valid, I am not obliged to pay for it (in my role as an insurance adjuster), and I would not rely on it if I were ill (on a personal level).

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by UWM I'm sure there is some validity behind some of it, or else people wouldn't come up with it in the first place. I don't really have any background knowledge of that stuff, so I can't comment on it's foundations nor can I really comment on any of the results. I just know from my life experiences that of all the people who I've met who believe in those sort of things, almost 100% of them are people I would classify as 'Hippy'

haha. Yeah, I have no foundation either. My mom applied for a position in a Science Medicine organization here. She told me the basic beliefs and interviewing process... it sounded like a freak fest. And then, downtown, I don't know if this relates w/ any alternative healing, but there is always this man walking around on Main St. He stopped my friends and I (we were already leary due to the neighborhood) and asked us if we wanted to see our personalities on screen and in color. Of course, it sparked my interest but then he motioned to this building that resembled some broke down, crackhouse. hahaaa that was a no-go.

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Originally posted by Estella What about the new springing forth of all these religions or thought? Holistic healing, Scientology, alternative medicine, etc.

those things arent new.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Just because they exist does not mean they are valid. With regard to holistic treatments and alternative medicines they must be taken on a case by case basis. Holistic simply means that the treatment treats the entire person rather then one condition. Massage therapy is a holistic treatment. There is hard science backing up the health benefits of most of the Sweedish techniques, myofacial manipulation, strain/counterstrain, trigger point thereapy, hydro therapy, etc. Thus I accept health benefits can be attributed to massage therapy. Raki is also considered a holistic treatment, however, there is no scientific study that has been accepted by the courts (in Canada or the US anyway.... which is all I'm concerned about as those are the jurisdictions I practice in) that corollates Raki to health benefits. Subsequently, I cannot accept Raki as a valid medical practice. Alternative medicines are very tricky as some of them have proven benefits and others do not. For instance, St. John's Wart is proven to have a mild effect on brain chemistry which acts simillarly to a mild anti-depresent. There are known benefits to St. John's Wart. There is no accepted study that shows that placing leaches on one's body can cure small pox, therefore this is not a valid medical treatment. It has to be taken on a case by case basis, just because one "alternative medicine" is proven to work does not mean all will. As for religion, I do not involve myself as this is a highly personal matter and I refuse to question anyone's beliefs in this regard. The long and short of it is this.... If the aflicted person believes they are receiving benefit from one treatment or another then they should continue to believe in the validity of that treatment and continue to receive it. Ultimately the patient must judge as they are the responsible for their own health. The one caveot I place on this is that unless there is acceptable science supporting a course of treatment I CANNOT accept it as valid, the courts CANNOT accept it as valid, I am not obliged to pay for it (in my role as an insurance adjuster), and I would not rely on it if I were ill (on a personal level).

So insurance companies cover absolutely no form of any alternative healing practices? Even if it is to be used as a last resort?

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Originally posted by butterfly those things arent new.

Yeah, your right. I didn't think about that. Thanks

You can provide Moral w/ some valid evidence !! Or maybe you're in the same boat?

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Originally posted by Estella So insurance companies cover absolutely no form of any alternative healing practices? Even if it is to be used as a last resort?

Stay away from the word "alternative". That is a very inprecise word and could mean anything. For instance, because accupuncture is not governed by a college of professionals it is not accepted as being part of the accepted medical community and is therefore "alternative" to standard treatment. That being said, there are credible studies that link accupuncture to releive of various conditions therefore it would be considered an accepted treatment for those conditions. In some jurisdictions (such as Ontario and California) accupuncture is covered by health insurance plans and/or by the courts (under tort law) for those conditions. There is no study showing that accupuncture can assist in the treatment of a traumatic brain injury and therefore no insurance company would pay for accupuncture as a treatment for TBI.

Generally speaking, if there are no proven (scientifically proven with replicated experiments meeting all the criteria of scientific testing) health benefits from using a certain treatment to treat a specific condition then it will not be covered by insurance or ordered payable by the courts. Now, an insurance company could disregard this at their discression, however, if a treatment is not accepted by the courts then there is no requirement that an insurance company (or any individual other then the patient) pay for it.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Okay, what did you do with the real Moral Hazard? This obviously isn't him, as I've never seen a serious word posted by him before.