EXACTLY...that is what I always think...forget about the cookie-cutter BS. JUST PRODUCE...forget about famous producers, famous songs, famous synths...

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Originally posted by Axolotyl The supersaw...How can you have variations on something which is in essence just a bunch of detuned saw waves? ... its just part of the uplifting sound...kinda starts to sound like white noise after a while...raise your hands everyone...filling up the entire spectrum with big noise.

Nicely said.

Has anybody wondered just why the SuperSaw is used so much in uplifting trance?

Uplifting trance is all about the moment on the dance floor where you're completely fucked and the music sends waves of euphoria over you.

It's no secret that music containing a full spectrum of frequencies and especially full of high frequencies will send you instantly from being off your chops to complete muntation.

So why is the Supersaw used so much? Harmonic content. Masses of frequencies. Supersaw, Superstrings they exist because of their harmonic content.

So everybody who wants to be original, and euphoric, please come up with a new sound that contains as many frequencies as a supersaw. Even if you use tri/square/whatever waves, you'll have to distort them, layer them and you'll eventually end up with something approaching the big muddy noisy sound of the supersaw.

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The future of Trance is going to be a mesh between everything the world already offers. A simple opening of a track with the sound of the wind blowing with bird chirping. Then you break into some ambient chilled out synth sounds while the wind builds and builds. From there the bassline drifts into effect with a huge thick thick sound, add some more psi-trance sounds to trip out the crowd and then build it up and drop the recognized bassline. . . you will see more of the productions in the future like this if I ever start to get off my arse and produce. . . the future of trance is really what you make of it. I want to make tracks that contain the trance sounds of nature, and incorperate that in such a way that the crowd has a moment of awe and can go listen to the same exact sound occuring on the earth with out having to actually put on a cd or vinyl, mp3 or something that has it within the track. . . maybe include tracks that take full advantage of 7.1 surround sound, have a chant that goes on and in each corner different person chanting the same thing and have them slowly come together then drop the bassline hehehe.
The ideas are endless, the production only changes if the ideas change.

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Originally posted by pho mo So everybody who wants to be original, and euphoric, please come up with a new sound that contains as many frequencies as a supersaw. Even if you use tri/square/whatever waves, you'll have to distort them, layer them and you'll eventually end up with something approaching the big muddy noisy sound of the supersaw.

So trance wasnt uplifting before 1998 or whenever they released the JP8000?

Listen to some of Astral Projections early tracks. Clear as fuck, uplifting as all hell and not a supersaw in sight.

Uplifting is about a lot of things... tension built and then released. Atmosphere, feeling, melody... Not about the frequency range in which you deliver it.

Mozart is uplifting... no supersaws there

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fair enough, the supersaw alone doth not make a track uplifting.

however with the right track, the supersaw's harmonic content definitely enhances the euphoria.

all i'm saying is, while the supersaw has become the defacto standard for uplifting trance, there is a good reason why is ended up that way - it wasn't just an arbitrary thing

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agreed.

What I'm saying is that while the supersaw does its job superbly, its a dead end. Just like the good old 303, people are going to get sick of hearing the same old sound again and again. Its not that the current trend is bad, its just being overused.

Trance producers are going to be forced to make people go wow some other way. Or maybe not. Perhaps the jaded people will all just move on and a new bunch of kiddies will start gurning to the supersaw for the next 10 years.

Either that or we all become psy producers

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What happens when you pitchbend a supersaw? Didn't Tiesto do that in A Tear in the Open? More people should try that, because A Tear in the Open really didn't do that idea justice, IMO.

I think people are going to use the supersaw a lot less in the future, and for a time it will disappear, but like the 303, people will find out how to use it a little bit more responsibly (and maybe find really cool variations on the idea), and it will make a tentative comeback.

The near future seems to be darker, proggier, and yet somehow maintaining the anthemic qualities it has now. I envision aomething between the proto-psy of the early-mid nineties and the melodic goa that Israeli producers are chruning out lately.

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On the subject of Hip-Hop, I only hope that the DJ's see the light and start spinning those spastic DnB Rap tracks out there instead of the repetitive (this coming from a trance producer, of all people), stupid shit that they're throwing down right now.

D12 and Dieselboy, yo. No one'll see it coming.

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Trance will become more and more like it's name and people will become sick of it. Just a thought.

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Originally posted by Channel Surfer i agree with isrefel.... composers (and i mean real composers) will begin to take trance to the harmonically involved, highly compostional, neoclassicism it already hints at.

Symphonic Trance I've actually tried doing the stuff before. May even try it again one of these days.

But yeah, I see what you're getting at. About the atonal thing, a little dissonance is okay, but too much creates total cacophony. Which is why I don't listen to much atonal music. But I LOVE Stravinsky (neo-classicism at its finest, John Williams is another good example).

As with any genre, the possibilities are widespread. What would be really sweet is taking 75 BPM Metal complete with drums, adding a trance lead and pads with it and then superimposing a 150 bpm straight-beat break overtop at a lower volume than the acoustic drums. And by "trance lead," I don't necessarily mean supersaw

Trance will not die, just evolve into something new.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl Mozart is uplifting... no supersaws there

Nope. Just string quartets... and a lot of other instruments that I can't be arsed to list. My current project is trying to get my Superwave P8 to sound as much like an authentic string orchestra as possible.

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we_R_DNA, I want to hear some tracks like you describe! I was thinking about how cool suround can be. In the 90s I heard the Grateful Dead do some amazing things live with 7.1 sound.

I predict there will be some new anthems, but with crazy songs from other genres sampled into them. I guess that is not a very specific prediction...

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Who is the buddha master that makes the grass green?

One idea that I would like to try is "hypnos trance".
I saw a synth that is able to make sounds that works as hypnos.
Can't recall the name, but to take trance to something else than just melodies, notes. Thats the future (I hope).
(sorry for my english, hope you understand :P)

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What the hell is a speculation thread doing in the production forum? Leave that for everyone in the general forum to whine about. We don't just listen in this forum, we do the producing we're 'speculating' about.

I myself have an idea for a genre, and have already produced one track under it, but if I told you, I´d have to kill you.

People (producers) still like some sort of music to listen to, and I think when (if) the current genre 'implodes,' then we´re going to go back to listening to trance from pre 1995 for ideas. I already do.

When I sit down to produce, I try to add at least one major new 'style' I've never heard to my track. (i.e. the latest thing I´ve been working on contains only triplets... totally new feel, try that one out).

Overall, so many people came on to 'trance' only after the stereotype sounds were invented that they don´t even know what it started as one of the most imaginative, original generes ever. I love my music to take my on physical journeys, like the old trance, the trance you could listen to for 10 hours straight and look deeper in the sounds rather than be forced to be a puppet of the (dumb poppy) sounds.