This is misleading...

The following were all added to the CDJ-1000MK2's:
Tempo Control +- 100%
DJ Function Digital Out
Lighter feel jog dial (well not at light as the 800, but lighter than the MK1's)

The comparison below was for the original CDJ-1000MK1.

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Originally posted by alligator Here are some feature differences: CDJ-800 Smaller footprint (305W*105H*330D) than CDJ-1000 (320W*105H*370D). NEW: Quick Return for beginning scratchers NEW: Lighter feel jog dial for beginning scratchers NEW: Auto Beat Loop NEW: Tempo Control +-100% Pitch control NEW: DJ Function Digital Out (including sending scratch, pitch, master tempo digital data info through digital outs) Smaller Capacity Internal Cue/Loop Memory: 1 points per CD up to 500 CDs No facility for external memory (no MMC) Minimum Tempo Step only 0.05% Only one Vinyl Speed Adjust Only one adjust for both touch & release (it CAN do a "break" still) No Wave Display No Tempo Reset No Hot Cue memory buttons No CD Text No Calendar Display BPM Counter: same as 1000 Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper): same as 1000 Legato Link Conversion: same as 1000 CDJ-1000 Wave Display 3 Hot Cue memory buttons Cue/Loop Internal Memory 10 points per CD up to 100 CDs Cue/Loop External Memory (MMC): 100 points per CD up to 10000 CDs = 1,000,000 points of memory! Tempo Control ±24% Pitch control Minimum Tempo Steps on the pitch control 0.02% Tempo Reset function button Wave Display CD Text Two Vinyl Speed Adjust Separated adjust for Touch & Release Commercial design Calendar Display BPM Counter Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper) Legato Link Conversion

difference between, it's not a complete feature list!

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Originally posted by alligator my simple statment is that the addition of such features wont' make you a better dj if you still don't know how to beatmatch. therefore unless you know the basis of mixing, and using tt's, or cd players the effects will be more damaging than helping to you. bring in your cued song - mix in the next song... to disaprove with your theory that pioneers are in clubs everywhere, all over where i live denon's 3000 or 5000 are currently used in clubs, why because mostly all the djs that play there know how to beat count and can't mix a song in to save their lives without an addition of flagger, break or whatever else. back to my point, because this is dragging on without any purpose, the effects are useless if you're a shity dj, and if you can mix well without them then they will help you in your set. but that doesn't mean you must buy a cd player with build in features (you can get an efx).

Just jumped back into this thread and had to respond...

Who the hell is going to buy a AU$1500 x 2 setup if they dont know how to beatmix. The arguement that fx and features are useless unless the DJ doesnt know how to beatmix is bit pissweak.

Hands up who here in these forums out of those of you who call themselves "DJ's" dont know how to beatmix??


anyone?


Bueller?


last Chance....


c'mon... we wont laugh...





I'm happy to debate the features, feel, pros and cons of Pio vs Dennon, but dismissing the features on a deck because you are ussuming that DJ's dont know how to beatmix...

dude... WTF???

Its the basic element if knowing how to mix. Its not that fucking hard, and anyone who can tell debate difference between the feel and features of Vinyl, a Pio deck and a Dennon deck would 9 times out of ten be a fairly proficent beatmixer I imagine.

So, yeah enough of the "fx and features are useless cos if you use them your some sort of tourist who cant grasp themost basic element of mixing" bullshit... ok

Lets keep the debate to facts and figures, not pointless conjecture.


=)

[EDIT] doh... just realised this thread is a week old... oh well...

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Last edited by Axolotyl on Jun-27-2005 at 14:12

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Originally posted by Axolotyl =) [EDIT] doh... just realised this thread is a week old... oh well...

i think everyone gave up on this thread, but thanks for adding to it...

there's a reason why the pioneer decks are industry standard, and it's not because of the name...in the end is up to anyone what they like to use when they mix...

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Originally posted by alligator i think everyone gave up on this thread, but thanks for adding to it... there's a reason why the pioneer decks are industry standard, and it's not because of the name...in the end is up to anyone what they like to use when they mix...

The reason they are standard is because Pioneer are part of the illuminati and have a secret agenda with Bill Gates and the Catholic church.

Seriously... if you look at the underside of the CDJ 1000 there is an imprint of the freemason symbol!! Its right there!!

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Originally posted by Tygon Well I figure... if I buy the 800 I can get used to them over time even if they're not as realistic. If a club has 1000s, it'll be an easier adjustment than the other way around. Nah I don't use mp3 CDs... I burn 1 track per CD... which is also a reason that CD Text is useless. Currently my resident club has these CD decks which I've become quite comfortable with. If I can get used to these, Pioneers will be a breeze!

My old residency had those too. It was a real upscale lounge too so I was surprised by their choice in equipment. I hated using them. So much so that I brought my own DZ1200's in and used those from then on.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl The reason they are standard is because Pioneer are part of the illuminati and have a secret agenda with Bill Gates and the Catholic church. Seriously... if you look at the underside of the CDJ 1000 there is an imprint of the freemason symbol!! Its right there!!

but we all love bill gates!

look through the thread, since i've already stated i do like the denon 5000, just i enjoy working with the pioneer a lot more.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. My old residency had those too. It was a real upscale lounge too so I was surprised by their choice in equipment. I hated using them. So much so that I brought my own DZ1200's in and used those from then on.

how are the DZ1200, i loved they way the looked but never got to really enjoy one.

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Originally posted by alligator how are the DZ1200, i loved they way the looked but never got to really enjoy one.

i really love them. i love the way they feel over any other option. my only two complaints are the pitch accuracy which is .05 at +/- 8% (compared to the pioneer's .02 at +/- 6%) and the lack of cd text readability. other than that - i love them. i would still take them over anything else and don't regret the purchase at all.

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i've heard very mixed reviews from people. how does the jog wheel feel? what is the response rate (accuracy wise) of the options you have on it.
i guess the accuracy does tend to disapoint, but 0.05% is still pretty good. (i know most of the tt user will jump on me for saying that, but we're not comparing a cd player to a tt).

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Originally posted by alligator there's a reason why the pioneer decks are industry standard, and it's not because of the name...in the end is up to anyone what they like to use when they mix...

Yes, basically it is the name.

The CDJ1000's are used for scratching competitions because they're "industry standard"

No.

The Denon S5000 or The Numark CDX is clearly top for the scratching.

The CDJ 1000 doesn't have the platter for it. People lift up the vinyl and do tricks with faderless scratching...you can do that with the S5000 or CDX.

For regular mixing...the S5000 is basically the same thing as the CDJ's, just a bunch more features that'll spice up your mix (same with numark cdx's). If you can play on the denons or numark cdx's, you can pick up the CDJ1000's in a second.

Hmm...I went to guitar center for the first time when it opened. They had a CDJ1000mk2...of course I had no clue how to mix on it because I don't have one at home. At the time I had traktor only and no real equipment. I picked the 1000's up the FIRST TIME I tried mixing. Retard-Proof.

any cd player that you would buy (at the moment) digitally imitates scratching compared to a tt.

i don't scratch, except every now and then when i'm ask to play some hip hop for some odd fellow that walks in and expect me to play the same song that he's heard on the radio 3 times that day. anyhow i use it sometimes when i just want to change the tempo.

here's an example, since everyone has been on my ass for saying effects don't know a sucker dj. because in the real world not all "dj" know what they're doing. i was working with this community center for a while to develope their entertaiment, and there was another guy that was supposed to be the dj during their nights. tried getting the 800's for the gigs, but he did not approve of them. why? simply because they have no effects, which means you must beat match, and play with your mixer during your set. so we get denon's and he was using the flagger and break buttons insanely. he over used them. he also couldn't beat match to save his own life, let alone realize you can't just cut a song and press play to the cued song.
i've seen this in a couple of places, they have good equipment, but are not trained for the job.

my $0.02 on the topic is that effects won't help you fake that you're a dj.