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Let people live their lives. If they want to smoke in certain places that you dont have to be in then let them. If they want to have a happy meal let them. If they want to ride a bike without a helmet, thats their business.

so assuming there wasnt a law against drunk driving...if ppl wanted to drink and drive you would be all for it right? it shouldnt affect the rest of us because we don't have to take the same highway,route,road etc as them right? ...do you know what you are really saying? do you really wanna go down this road? ( no pun intended)

catching a whiff of someones smoke from a patio is not comparable to drinking and driving at all. however there are those who will using the possibility of drunk driving to curb your drinking habits or to try and ban alcohol completely just because they dont think u should be drinking. Think various religious organizations or "moralistic people" who think they know better. This is why i cannot support MADD as an organization. They have also gone beyond stopping drinking and driving and actually mandate prohibition as their end goal. Im all for protecting others but not when laws are created on presumptions.

Im also all for stopping second hand smoke in most cases. But they went too far when they took away the right to choose from people who are 19 and older in licenced bars and clubs. No one ever forced non smokers into no essential entertainment areas. Now that a comprimise was reached that wasnt even good enough. bye bye smoking rooms (where non smokers never have to go) and now that this has happened EVEN THIS is not good enough... now it has to be outdoors as well?

Dont worry once they are done with smoking they will use drunk driving as a crutch to push for prohibition even if the possibility of getting hurt by a drunk driver is lower than getting hit by a bus.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Dont worry once they are done with smoking they will use drunk driving as a crutch to push for prohibition even if the possibility of getting hurt by a drunk driver is lower than getting hit by a bus.

it's interesting to note how societies balance themselves out eventually. I think we reached the peak of our freedoms several decades ago to be honest...maybe in the 70s-80s. It seems like all governments (especially here) just want to pull the bar down again on civil liberties.

I find the Ontario Liberals' position on this issue entirely contradictory and even a little eccentric. There is no need to dictate that people can't smoke outside but they will push and push and probably eventually get it. Unless of course, they are voted out of office. McSquinty won't be getting my vote again, but not just because of the smoking issue.

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"No offense, but you're stupid"

McSquinty....BHAHAHAHAHAH!!!...

Nice one!

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"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

he never got my vote. I saw through him long before he came to power. Nobody believed me either.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 he never got my vote. I saw through him long before he came to power. Nobody believed me either.

Then I must be psychic cause I know I never voted for the guy...

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"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

I watched him and saw how he handled questions and flip flopped repeatedly. I knew not to trust this guy from the first time he ran back in 1999.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I watched him and saw how he handled questions and flip flopped repeatedly. I knew not to trust this guy from the first time he ran back in 1999.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r McSquinty....BHAHAHAHAHAH!!!... Nice one!

actually I think I ripped that one off from somebody on here.

At the time, McSquinty seemed like a better alternative to the Harris-minded Tories under Ernie Eve. John Tory comes off as different so I might give him a shot.

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heheh i was the one who originally called him that... just look at how he squints whenever hes telling another tall tale.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill