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Originally posted by DC- Someone mentioned that mp3 downloads do not hurt the industry, this is the most ludicrious statement ever. Sales have went down globally, not just trance, but music in general. What could have caused such a big change, perhaps the increase in P2P activity? I know know that it has affected trance considerably becuase I happen to get information on how much lables are selling these days, and the numbers are anything but impressive.

It's a vicious circle. You could say that the standard of tunes has gone down (as I do) which means I buy less simply because I'm not going to buy tunes I have no intention of ever playing, that would be a waste of money, and a lot of my money goes on other forms of EDM or Rock music now instead of trance.

Secondly, there are those who never buy after downloading, but that number should be offset against those who have actually used p2p or the internet to actually discover artists, eg yourself. Would any of us know who you were without the net ? no, and that goes for a lot of people.

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Originally posted by Estuera FFS man, that's the ugliest thing I ever heard. Both Leon and me are very carefull with our tracks and we actually both have already quite a lot of experience in the producing world too for your information. (My first release was in january 2000 and Leon is also already in the scene for a lot longer you might think) The leaking happens by weak links on promo lists (on every list there's a bastard who either is a uploader himself or at least has some connections with those lowlifes, every label is constantly trying to find and kick those guys from their lists forever...some do it with great, other with little succes however, depending on how determined they are) sorry for the gravedigging btw, I know this topic is very old already Jonas Steur

amen to that

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Originally posted by Ian^ and i have huge standards these days

Bulls**t, i heard about you taking home that 40 year old slag the other week.

wait a minute wait a minute. slow down. what are you trying to say? and what is G&D? never heard of it.

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Originally posted by stamper Bulls**t, i heard about you taking home that 40 year old slag the other week.

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Originally posted by DJ Tunaboy wait a minute wait a minute. slow down. what are you trying to say? and what is G&D? never heard of it.

Gabriel & Dresden

.........and you've been on this site for how long?

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Originally posted by Ian^ It's a vicious circle. You could say that the standard of tunes has gone down (as I do) which means I buy less simply because I'm not going to buy tunes I have no intention of ever playing, that would be a waste of money, and a lot of my money goes on other forms of EDM or Rock music now instead of trance. Secondly, there are those who never buy after downloading, but that number should be offset against those who have actually used p2p or the internet to actually discover artists, eg yourself. Would any of us know who you were without the net ? no, and that goes for a lot of people.

argument's been covered shitloads of times before, and i don't think he's ever going to see the other side of the picture.

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Originally posted by Demoted Gabriel & Dresden .........and you've been on this site for how long?

not everyone who's been regged here has followed every single fad/aritst emergence or whatnot, there are some who'll have been away for times & missed stuff.

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Originally posted by isoterra argument's been covered shitloads of times before, and i don't think he's ever going to see the other side of the picture.

aye, I think he's gotta take a look in the mirror & ask himself "would anyone (labels & ppl) know who i was without the internet or p2p"

I also wonder what he thinks about ppl who've downloaded his tunes & gone on to buy them ?

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Originally posted by DC- Sales have went down globally, not just trance, but music in general. What could have caused such a big change, perhaps the increase in P2P activity? I know know that it has affected trance considerably becuase I happen to get information on how much lables are selling these days, and the numbers are anything but impressive.

Maybe thats because they release shite music that no one wants to buy? Must be something other than P2P because in the UK at least album sales reached an all time high 2 years ago & have been further increasing since then, as far as i know anyway.

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Originally posted by Dave Clarke Maybe thats because they release shite music that no one wants to buy? Must be something other than P2P because in the UK at least album sales reached an all time high 2 years ago & have been further increasing since then, as far as i know anyway.

their argument is that vinyl sales are falling. Maybe people like me aren't buying as many trance ones, but that's because of how piss-poor some of these tracks are, not because I just want to download everything instead, but they seem to fail to see the point, like your mate 'fresh prince' they can never see the error in their ways

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Originally posted by Ian^ their argument is that vinyl sales are falling. Maybe people like me aren't buying as many trance ones, but that's because of how piss-poor some of these tracks are, not because I just want to download everything instead, but they seem to fail to see the point, like your mate 'fresh prince' they can never see the error in their ways

Again that argument is totally false. Bands like razorlight & bloc party etc, however shite i think they may be, are now selling bucketloads of 7" vinyls when in the past that just wouldnt have happened. People just dont want to buy 'shit trance' anymore, and shit trance labels need to grasp that and stop looking to play the blame game.