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| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
agreed 100% with dave. those of you out there who assume that rap is all about being a pimp, wearing bling and shooting people are ignorant as fuck. Like others have said, you have to listen to intelligent hip-hop to understand the culture and respect the music and unfortunately, most of the intelligent hip-hop is underground. my personal favorite is binary star |
(there is a difference  )
dude, don't even try to claim that "underground" isn't corrupt. I have friends (sorta) that are all the time trying to pass off "mix-tapes" (yes real tapes) on me of themselves or their friends. And trust me, they are not the enlightened sort.
I will repeat what I said before. There is undoubtable some great, uplifting, positive stuff out there. Having said that what is the way to become the top rocker or trance DJ?
Being good at what you do? Yes.
Knowing the right people? Yes.
Having record companies pimp the hell out of you? Yes.
Projecting an image that resonates with the fans of your chosen type of music? Yes!!
Would you think that there would ever be a large anti drug campaign featuring major DJ's? Festivals promoting "Just say No"? There are a few exceptions, (Nu NRG for example) but most major DJ's wouldn't touch such an idea with a ten foot poll. No matter what there personal beliefs the message would not resonate with the people who are fans of trance. Are there anti-drug trance addicts? Yes, would you say that they are a majority? No.
In the same way the majority of rap culture is centured around certain ideals that resonate with the fans that the artists are trying to sell to. Are there rappers that buck the trend? Of course. But on the whole most underground and up and coming rappers are going to try to be as "hard" as possible. Simply because that is the culture that they are trying to make music for.
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
It just seems to me that you guys aren't seeing past the mainstream gangsta rap that gets played on MTV. There is a plethora of legendary emcees who started hip hop in the early 80s, an entire decade before gangsta rap became popular. And while there is surely a lot of debauchery in today's rap, rock music is certainly no stranger to immoral behavior. "Sex, drugs, and rock n roll" is the old saying. A lot of bad stuff has gone down in rock music: suicides (Kurt Cobain, Elliot Smith, Michael Hutchence), overdoses (Elvis), spousal abuse (Ozzy, Scott Weiland), and murder (Sid & Nancy, Phil Spector...allegedly). Tupac and Biggie were murdered because someone had beef with them. So was John Lennon. Eazy-E died of AIDS because of his permiscuous lifestyle. So did Freddie Mercury. Rock music has its fair share of dirty laundry, maybe more so than rap, but people usually see past that. It's a shame they can't do it for rap/hip hop. |
Perhaps I could look past it, if rap as a culture didn't wear violence and anger on its collective sleave as a badge of honor.
You are absolutly correct, rock and other types of music are no strangers to "bad stuff" but rock as a culture does not celebrate its "heritage" to the same extent that rap does
| quote: | | I'm not saying you guys have to like rap music, I'm just saying you should realize that the stuff you know is just a small part of the genre. |
fair enough 
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