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Originally posted by George Smiley How so?

You have got to be kidding me.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Eh?

There is no reason for you to trust the media or the Govt and its affiliated agencies and institutions.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z There is no reason for you to trust the media or the Govt and its affiliated agencies and institutions.

...so where do you get your news from exectly? or know what's going on in the world for that matter? The media isn't bad at all if you know how to decode and look deeper past headlines and such.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You have got to be kidding me.

Seriously you lost me. Explain please

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There is no reason for you to trust the media or the Govt and its affiliated agencies and institutions.

I know

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Originally posted by Lepanto ...so where do you get your news from exectly? or know what's going on in the world for that matter? The media isn't bad at all if you know how to decode and look deeper past headlines and such.

The media is bad even tho you think you can look through it imo. Unfortunetly you are right that we dont really have any better sources. Best thing is to rely on many different medias with different opinions, it takes a lot of time tho.

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Originally posted by Lepanto ...so where do you get your news from exectly? or know what's going on in the world for that matter? The media isn't bad at all if you know how to decode and look deeper past headlines and such.

From several different sources. Independent and corperate owned media, Human Rights Organizations, books etc. The only reason I check mainstream corperate owned media is to keep in touch with the official version of events which we're all supposed to accept and believe without question.

Go watch "Manufacturing Consent" or some other documentary/book about propoganda and media control. Do your own homework. It too long a subejct for me to go over in a few posts.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Right, so when you're electrocuted to death working in a plant, it's your fault because even though you read the fine print, you understood this to be not a distant potential risk, but a probable one. After all, you signed the contract. Never disappoint yourself by expecting anything but sheeplike behaviour from sheep -- they know no different. Get away boy, ya' bother me. -N

I didnt write that section you quoted.

But i do agree with it.

When you sign up to a dangerous job, you should and are made aware of the consequences that may result. If you are an electrician, and you get electrocuted doing something RISKY, then it is your fault for performing that.

If the military asked you to join in the fight in Iraq and said things were all fine and dandy there.,.. that you would be protected and will never die, yet you see your friends being blown apart, then thats a different story.

Im sure people who sign up to serve in IRaq know EXACTLY what they are getting themselves into

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z From several different sources. Independent and corperate owned media, Human Rights Organizations, books etc. The only reason I check mainstream corperate owned media is to keep in touch with the official version of events which we're all supposed to accept and believe without question. Go watch "Manufacturing Consent" or some other documentary/book about propoganda and media control. Do your own homework. It too long a subejct for me to go over in a few posts.

And you think that's any different?

do your own homework? i've done plenty since my major for 3 years has been mass media. human right organizations are too extremes, books manifest the authors own opinions.

the media isn't there to MAKE u THINK or whatever. if the person is too dumb to check and double check facts and the news that they give you is what makes them easily controlled. the media itself is doing their own job as is the governemt.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew The media is bad even tho you think you can look through it imo. Unfortunetly you are right that we dont really have any better sources. Best thing is to rely on many different medias with different opinions, it takes a lot of time tho.

the media itself aint bad they are just looking out for themselves just like everyone else...ok that wasn't really well put. point is it's not about the media or what news you get. it's what you do with it. the media is easy to look through but i still decide to wear H&M, or J.Crew or drive a toyota because i actually want to. it's a choice sorta.

point of the post was that if you think you got some alternative insight into the world from some internet source or someshit you're being played a fool.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Pay attention to what you're quoting (not sure you're comprehension of English is sufficient).

You are getting off base with personal attacks. But anyway, a draft it is not. Those already in the service have an extended stay in the service by what "information" you have posted already.

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You have the mechanism of a draft without it being called that -- it appears you're dependent on official labels in order to draw basic personal conclusions.

It's called newspeak.

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Right, so when you're electrocuted to death working in a plant, it's your fault because even though you read the fine print, you understood this to be not a distant potential risk, but a probable one. After all, you signed the contract.

For once in your life be serious about job related injuries. If you electrocuted yourself to death as you say, it was most likely due to lack of safety training and adherence. When you signed on the job you agree that any death arising from your lack of adherence to safety protocol will be dealt with by not providing your survivors with any death benefits. See if your family can collect any death monies because you bypassed safety devices. You think an employer is not going to include this kind of language when you apply for a job in a dangerous job? Employers are not going to let themselves be liable for your mistakes.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But i do agree with it. When you sign up to a dangerous job, you should and are made aware of the consequences that may result. If you are an electrician, and you get electrocuted doing something RISKY, then it is your fault for performing that. If the military asked you to join in the fight in Iraq and said things were all fine and dandy there.,.. that you would be protected and will never die, yet you see your friends being blown apart, then thats a different story. Im sure people who sign up to serve in IRaq know EXACTLY what they are getting themselves into

Please don't respond without reading the context of the thread and the conversation first. When you don't, your response is usually irrelevant, because it has already been touched on and invalidated, i.e., the above.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You are getting off base with personal attacks. But anyway, a draft it is not. Those already in the service have an extended stay in the service by what "information" you have posted already.

I'm not attacking you on this: you don't often seem to understand what's being said, and based on the quality of your writing English, I'm assuming it's a language barrier. There's nothing wrong with that -- you don't see anyone making an attempt to post in Spanish.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 For once in your life be serious about job related injuries. If you electrocuted yourself to death as you say, it was most likely due to lack of safety training and adherence.

Case in point: you're either ignorant (read: unaware of the facts of the issue), or you're simply ignoring what's being said. The above it total nonsense, and could only be said by someone that has never held a job (or had a hobby!) that involves complex safety procedures.

No point in wasting my time when, after having had something explained to you from multiple angles, you just snip it all and ignore it, then spout the same, tired, unthinking claptrap.

I'll spend no more time on this.

-N

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Please don't respond without reading the context of the thread and the conversation first. When you don't, your response is usually irrelevant, because it has already been touched on and invalidated, i.e., the above. -N

HOw does my post not fit in with the contextof the thread???? Im correlating a job and the risks involved in it with the military service young men are signing up for in iraq.

Your parrallel reasoning is flawed....just like mr mustard.

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Originally posted by smokeape I voted yes, though retired from military I am still working for the Army. You agree you pay the ultimate sacrifice by joining up in the military to defend our nation. We place you in harm's way. Units heading into a war zone are pretty well prepared not to die for their country even though they are headed into dangerous environs, but war is war and shit happens no matter how well prepared you are. You just hope you don't get killed for something stupid and avoidable instead of the unavoidable. The unavoidable circumstances, particularly IEDs, may start to look like avoidable circumstances these days after our experience with them. Ambushes are ambushes though, unexpected and sure to bring casualties, since they are initiated by the enemy on their own terms. Only avoidance is to eliminate the enemy as a threat if it's at all possible to hunt them down and kill them at a point in time so they don't have the means to launch an attack. [[[smoke]]]

Do you honestly think Bush and his people give a shit about you being blown up in Iraq?? You are worthless to them.. you protect his corporate buddies interests.. and if you get killed.. OH WELL... theyll just replace you like a can of tuna to be eaten by the hungry cats that await.

You die.. and disappear. Who suffers???? NOT BUSH!!!!!!!

I will restate this again.. bush and his people dont give a flying fuck about you or any other soldiers. You are replaceable robots..get that through your head.

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