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Originally posted by thesuperfunk PvD doesn't need to explain anything to anyone. Even if Gerry's comment holds true why should PvD totally change the TPOD2 design just so the 'little producer' can get his break? especially over what is no more that a rehash of 'Messages' with the 'Connected' melody thrown in for good measure. Gerry himself has stated that he needs an 'original' hit to break into the scene ... i suggest he concentrates on that instead of bitching on message boards.

I can see why Gerry would be a bit frustrated, but it's not really anyone's fault, and he should be content to have work on a compilation of such high profile in the first place. After all, there are always full credits for a mix within the liner notes. Many compilations, including TPOD1, have no remix credits on the outside packaging; as someone mentioned earlier, this is the case for many GU releases. There are dozens of artists that are never ostensibly credited on such compilations.

Paul's first volume sets the precedent for the second, and so naturally there are no remix credits on the tracklist. The contract for Messages establishes that the artist must remain Solange, and so "Gerry Cueto" goes to the liner notes. It's unfortunate for Gerry, but hardly unusual for mix compilations, and certainly not the fault of Paul.

All that aside, the very original sample I remember downloading from Gerry in the amateur production forum was quite amateur sounding in comparison to what PvD has done with it anyway. Yes PvD may have only slapped his kick and bass on it, but that alone has put a very professional touch on what was before a very weak production. But also remember that PvD does not stick down on the tracklist "PvD Edit" like we do for his sets. I guess what i'm saying is that on the other hand, if Gerry was to be credited on the tracklist, he would be getting far more credit than he really deserves.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk PvD doesn't need to explain anything to anyone. Even if Gerry's comment holds true why should PvD totally change the TPOD2 design just so the 'little producer' can get his break? especially over what is no more that a rehash of 'Messages' with the 'Connected' melody thrown in for good measure. Gerry himself has stated that he needs an 'original' hit to break into the scene ... i suggest he concentrates on that instead of bitching on message boards.

what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch??

lemme break it down for you..

PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there.

if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard.

btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

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Originally posted by djmetatron what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch?? lemme break it down for you.. PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there. if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard. btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

read cobalts post. then think about deleting that one

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Originally posted by djmetatron what the hell are message boards for if not to bitch?? lemme break it down for you.. PvD isn't crediting any of the remixers on his album because he feels that he is the true remixer of all the tracks because he adds a kick here and takes a chunk of the breakdown out there. if this is not worth a bitching about I don't know what is. and it's not about the particular track or the melody or even weither Gerry even cares that much, it's about the principle fuktard. btw, if this isn't true and PvD does credit the remixers then you may strike my testimony from the record.

I suggest you know your facts before arguing their case.

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Originally posted by Ian^ read cobalts post. then think about deleting that one

ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

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Originally posted by thesuperfunk I suggest you know your facts before arguing their case.

what, the facts about weither pvd is actually arrogant enought to think he is the real remixer of all the tracks and that's why he doesn't credit them? we both don't know that one, but I'm arguing on the hypothetical case that this is true. if not, well, you have to admit that the remixers should still get the fugging credit.

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Originally posted by djmetatron ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

why blame pvd directly when all the dj's on GU etc do the same ? or are you afraid to call them for it & just blame paul instead cos he's an easier and less 'cool' target to some people ?

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Originally posted by djmetatron ok so we both don't know exactly why the remixers aren't on the sleeve and it's been done before. doesn't make it right though.

Have you considered how messy it would look if PvD listed all the artists that had done production work on each track?

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Originally posted by Ian^ why blame pvd directly when all the dj's on GU etc do the same ? or are you afraid to call them for it & just blame paul instead cos he's an easier and less 'cool' target to some people ?

you guys are pretty sensitive about pvd, geez. who knows what he decides about his album, he can do pretty much anything he want's with it. maybe it's not his decision, maybe it is. doesn't make him less talented as a dj. personally he is one of THE BEST djs i've seen, but it doesn't suprise me that he may have a bit of an ego.

but again i don't know for sure. but what i do know is that ALL of the remixers on the album won't be listed on the sleeve, as if they didn't exist or didn't do anything, and that's not right. And if Paul's going to use people's work like Gerry's (you can debate the fact that Gerry stuff isn't good or whatever but that's besides the point) he should still put their name on the cover.

edit: and messy?? wtf all of the albums i've bought list the original artist and the remixer on the tracklist. so yeah, i've considered that.