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Originally posted by iammesol Please stop with the "It's not electro!!!" fight. It's beyond old and won't ever go anywhere.

Why should people not be corrected if they're wrong? Just because you don't understand the arguement at hand here doesn't give you the right to preach about squabbling.

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Originally posted by Azz3D cybotron - clear and afrika bambaataa - looking for the perfect beat would be electro wouldn't it? fucking jennifer lopez and that washed up has been LL cool J ripped off the latter in her newest track...

SAMPLING, ever heard of it? and people has been sampling the beats of bambaata (well technicly arthur baker) ever since well, they produced the original track. and even baker sampled kraftwerk tracks for one of the most sampled/ripped off tracks EVER being planet rock.

and so what if missy elliott sampled cybotron - clear, the result was good and she sampled the track well.

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Originally posted by montana SAMPLING, ever heard of it? and people has been sampling the beats of bambaata (well technicly arthur baker) ever since well, they produced the original track. and even baker sampled kraftwerk tracks for one of the most sampled/ripped off tracks EVER being planet rock. and so what if missy elliott sampled cybotron - clear, the result was good and she sampled the track well.

i am sick and tired of this debate
i know about sampling, I actually like that missy eliott track
my beef is that all these kids run around thinking she is the original artist
same with that J Lo track... most people will never hear about the original artist being credited and it pisses me off

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Originally posted by Azz3D i am sick and tired of this debate i know about sampling, I actually like that missy eliott track my beef is that all these kids run around thinking she is the original artist same with that J Lo track... most people will never hear about the original artist being credited and it pisses me off

well, ignorance is bliss really, let them think that. and yes the original artists are well credited on both tracks. find the vinyl/cd single/albums for both look in the credits and you will find that they are credited.

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yes, i'm aware of the credits being given on the actual cd/vinyl
i'm just mad that most people I talk to act like those artists came up with the freaking thing

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Originally posted by queen_vee if tracks like Time To Burn or Kernkraft 400 were produced today, they'd likely be called 'electro trance'... cos they aren't hard/uplifting/prog/tech or pure trance

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Originally posted by Ishkur No they wouldn't.

I am perfectly happy to stand corrected; your post is quite useless without one.

What genre would they fall under, if made today or over the past couple of years? As I said, I love the style and will seek it out once I know what it's called... Punk and Rock Your Body Rock, same thing, what is that genre?

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...this thread is getting out of hand.


"OMG CORSTEN pLAYIng SOME elctrox, its electro trance!!! i Was blind all this time, so this means kernkraft 400 is electro trance too!!

wow thanks ferry corsten for helping me realize this genre i hadn't seen all this time."



Fact is, Kernkraft 400 Zombie Nation, was played by some dj's like Seb Fontaine, Pete Tong around 2000 or so.

Queen Vee, my question to you is, does this mean Pete Tong is an electro trance dj ? Because alot of what he plays has always been house. Pitch up Francois Dubois-Blood (Andy Cato Pack Up And Dance Mix) about an extra 7 bpm and you have electro trance?

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Originally posted by LittleGoku Fact is, Kernkraft 400 Zombie Nation, was played by some dj's like Seb Fontaine, Pete Tong around 2000 or so. Queen Vee, my question to you is, does this mean Pete Tong is an electro trance dj ? Because alot of what he plays has always been house. Pitch up Francois Dubois-Blood (Andy Cato Pack Up And Dance Mix) about an extra 7 bpm and you have electro trance?

WTF??!! I am asking what genre Kernkraft 400, Time To Burn and Rock Your Body Rock are because I CLEARLY DON'T KNOW!!!

So please stop pulling my posts apart in your attempt to make me look like a moron, and just answer my query if you are so wise.

What genre are they, if they are not 'electro trance'?

'shit trance'

Christ. I think we're going round in circles here.

i think you have to know what electro is before you can make a point..

ferry corsten - rock your body rock has no electro elements


no cowbells, no synth hits, no stutter effects with the percussion too much full synths in that.. not enough SPACE

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit i think you have to know what electro is before you can make a point.. ferry corsten - rock your body rock has no electro elements

I was not making a point, I was asking a question, to which the answer appears to be ‘shit trance’ (thank-you DJ Mikey Mike, that was most informative; may you continue to impart such valuable wisdom on the genre of trance to many others)

To me, Rock Your Body Rock, Loneliness, Time To Burn, Kenrkraft 400, Punk etc… all have a very similar sound, and that sound is vastly different to the Air For Life, Shivers, Adagio For Strings or other ‘ASOT’ sound that dominates trance today.

If it’s all just straight up trance, fine, however I remain surprised that with all the subgenres and sub-subgenres (prog trance, uplifting trance, tech trance et al) out there a distinction is apparently not available for said style seeing as ELECTRO TRANCE is a forbidden term.

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Originally posted by queen_vee WTF??!! I am asking what genre Kernkraft 400, Time To Burn and Rock Your Body Rock are because I CLEARLY DON'T KNOW!!!

House music.

That's where your confusion lies. Neither trance nor electro has a monopoly on buzzing lead synths.