Sounds like he`s just jealous of IvD and Lasgo`s success. Peter Luts and the other memebers of those projects (along with everyone else in the Belgian dance scene) work their ASSES off, just as much as PvD and all those prog pricks. They deserve respect just like everyone else, regardless if there are some little teenyboppers that like them, I`m sure you can find a teenybopper that likes PvD as well.

Who gives a fuck what is `cheese` or not ? I`m a huge fan of Belgian dance/trance and Florida breaks, two of the `cheesiest` genres out there. They`re my all time favorite genres, I`ve followed Florida breaks since 2000 and Belgian dance/trance since 2002. Although their tracks might be suited for the radio, why does that make them so awful and how does that make them KILL trance ? Trance shouldn`t just be one exact sound, there SHOULD be a huge amount of different variations. Otherwise it`d be too fucking boring and every track would sound very alike to each other.

If anything, I can think of some trance these days that is WAY more cheesy and commercial than what`s coming out from those in the Belgian dance scene (Sylver, Lasgo, IvD, Milk Inc., Jessy, etc.). And that`s shit like Gabriel & Dresden and all their little side projects, such as Andain and Motorcycle. But PvD doesn`t say anything about that now does he ?! Andain are basically radio-friendly, depressing pop songs with a prog trance beat thrown on top of them.

Everyone always blames IvD, Lasgo, Sylver, etc., but they`re the same people that never give them a chance. Maybe if people actually bought their albums and even just read their websites to see how much hard work they put into their projects, they would think differently.

Let me guess... you're from one of those projects !


Joking aside... good point - shame it'll be wasted here.

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Originally posted by tieann Everyone always blames IvD, Lasgo, Sylver, etc., but they`re the same people that never give them a chance. Maybe if people actually bought their albums and even just read their websites to see how much hard work they put into their projects, they would think differently.

don't forget, you're on tranceaddict..

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tieann i agree on everything, good post

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Originally posted by RebeL9 seriously. listen to PVDs lastest album. Loads of vocals, cheesy patterns and the distance is not that far away from Ian van Dahl. At least not far enough for a statement like that from mr van Dyk.

im not a bug fan of reflections at all. i was going to burn it for a buddy, but it had some sort of copyright thing, so i just gave it to him. thats right, i GAVE away a paul van dyk CD.

...but TPOD kicks ass

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Originally posted by Cobalt That's because most trance today is crap, and the other genres you mention are actually pushing good production. Paul moved into the pop-vocal camp, not eurotrance artists into his, so your example is really pointless. If ATB starting pumping out innovative electo-house (I'm not holding my breath), you better believe it would see regular rotation from the progressive elite. No one is disputing that Paul was one of the most important trance producers and DJs in the nineties. But past accomplishments only go so far in excusing a cheap and commercial direction. Paul van Dyk fans, of which I would call myself one, have given him a pass for over two years because of his reputation and past accomplishments. Time's up. This nonsense has gone on long enough.

You are totally making your own version of my post. Did i say every trance today is masterpiece? Did i even say that trance actually is good? Not, i just said that this bashing thing is going too far. You can dislike trance - why not -, but those enjoying it dont deserve to be ridiculed or insulted for that - what you get here -. Sorry but there are a lot of poor productions in the other styles too - i.e. the last Tiga track is really something poor made in 2-3 minutes-. And what? You wont find a bad comment about it here cause you could get bashed for it. Nevertheless bashing Armin, Tiesto, Ferry or Pvd makes you cooler. Thats really poor.

And read previous post yeah? You will find that i argued about Sammy and Eurotrance cause other posters here did first - even saying that Pvd is cheese cause Sammy plays and produces the same style as him-. I think you will agree with me that is not a reason to become Pvd cheese. Same that those artist in my list wouldn become cheese if he would produce or play his style. But cause we are talking about Armin / Ferry / Tiesto / Pvd.. they get bashed. Simply as that.

Talking about past accomplishments, IMO Sasha has lost a lot in the last year and we will never see a bash like this against him. And hey, i am not saying he deserves it. Just want to clear the difference between being PvD and Sasha.

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Originally posted by toffy Talking about past accomplishments, IMO Sasha has lost a lot in the last year and we will never see a bash like this against him. And hey, i am not saying he deserves it. Just want to clear the difference between being PvD and Sasha.

Wow, great comment. I have seen him every time that he's played in NYC since last June except him and Digweed in April (because I was sick from WMC), which is probably 8-10 times, plus him and Digweed at WMC in Miami. The first couple of times I saw him, he amazed me.

I was, though, disappointed with a few of his Fundacion parties this spring. It seemed like he was concentrating too much on the techy aspect, and too little on making a danceable sound. His Live @ Lush, Portlush set from September is really good, because it brings back some of the energy that he lacked live in the spring, but still had the techy aspect.

It's kind of sad that everyone here never realizes that a DJ can return to his former standing as an amazing performer.

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Originally posted by toffy Talking about past accomplishments, IMO Sasha has lost a lot in the last year and we will never see a bash like this against him. And hey, i am not saying he deserves it. Just want to clear the difference between being PvD and Sasha.

That's because although Sasha isn't as great as he used to be, he hasn't compromised his musical integrity with formulaic vocal numbers. Big difference.

And actually, I've been doing my part in saying Sasha isn't meeting par. I thought Fundacion was terribly boring, though others would disagree with me.

Is it really that difficult to accept that some people are giving merit based on production quality, rather than trends and status? Why do all criticisms have to be part of some malicious alterior motive or agenda?

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Originally posted by Cobalt That's because although Sasha isn't as great as he used to be, he hasn't compromised his musical integrity with formulaic vocal numbers. Big difference. And actually, I've been doing my part in saying Sasha isn't meeting par. I thought Fundacion was terribly boring, though others would disagree with me. Is it really that difficult to accept that some people are giving merit based on production quality, rather than trends and status? Why do all criticisms have to be part of some malicious alterior motive or agenda?

Remixing a Depeche Mode track is not vocal formularic nowdays? Everybody is remixing them, Moby and Coldplay so is way standard i would say. Agree on Fundacion but not in the opinion that working with vocals is comercial.

Production quality is often very personal. I do think there is a lot of quality in Tiesto - Just be album and others find it in Angello & Ingrosso sound so..

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Originally posted by Reactic don't exaggerate, maybe their self-productions may become a bit commercial, but they still produce tracks, which aren't suitable for the mainstream, AND realize, how many people they introduce with their fame to the scene, with their sets which are still full of quality trance..

+1

Especially the threads I see about ferry corsten and Dj Sasha. All I keep hearing on the threads is how much such and such "sold out". Let's not forget how many amazing tracks ferry corsten produced and remixed and how many great sets Dj Sasha has played all around the world. And the 2 most hated producers/djs have Armin and Tiesto have attributed so much to the EDM scene and played all over the world. Things like he went commercial, he's a cash cow, he can't produce for shit anymore. I've heard it so many times on these forums.

But ask yourself 2 simple question:

1.Have I accomplished as much as [insert Dj/producer's name here]
2.If I was a Dj/producer would I be able to keep putting out quality productions as long as [insert Dj/producer's name here]

Most musicians in any music genre can only put out releases that the majority of the media will like for a certain period of time..same thing applies to EDM Djs and producers. Learn to live with it, they're only human not a machine.

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All you who say PVD has cheesed out recently, need to listen to the Paul Van Dyk edit of ASYS - No More Fuckin Rock N Roll. Granted it's not his latest release, but it was done within this past year. Pure meanness.