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Originally posted by narcism * Lack of nursing home beds, which means elderly people are clogging up the system being in hospital for long periods of time.

if you have the capital to set up a nursing home, you can make millions (from the government mainly)
friends uncle owns four of em so when his son turned 18, who got a million dollars?

/edit oh yeah, it really does pain me to see our health care system going down the drain, i mean, who wants to be healthy?

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i don't really wanna say a whole lot cause i don't think i have the knowledge to back it up but i think i am against howard because i don't agree with some of the idealogies behind the liberal party. i don't understand how the majority of the nation can vote for someone that has blatently lied to and mislead them on numerous occasions. i don't like that australia participated in the invasion of a nation on false or at the least very weak pretences and disregarding the united nations. i don't like how australia has almost completely ignored the fate of one of its citizens and showed a complete disregard to his rights as an australian citizen. i don't like the idea of the new anti-terror laws, i don't think terrorism can ever be really stopped, and i think there are too many negatives to these laws than positives, i mean you can be detained without charge and representation because you say met up with your friends at a cafe and one of them lives with someone under surveilence (sp? sorry) or may have mentioned some "key words" or something on the phone, we have already seen what can happen with a "shoot to kill" policy in britain, a completely innocent man was killed, did absolutely nothing suspicious, just happened to be living in the same building as a possible suspect and now his family have to put up with seeing videos of him being shot 8 times in the head. how the hell do you think you would like to experience that??? it could happen!!!

things like debt don't mean anything to me, the government would rather have you paying rent and increasing interest rates than letting you own your own home without a mortgage or anything. why don't the government lower the excise on petrol to help the motorists? why does the price of petrol have to fluctuate on a daily basis in the first place? thats not so much a government question though. i dont get how the price of crude oil changing means every single day the price of petrol has to go up or down, do the companies buy huge shipments every single day?

and our good buddie dr nelson, im sure it took him ages to pay off his hecs debt oh thats right he didnt have one! (i think i dont know exactly how long ago hecs was introduced but i think im right ) not everyone on this board uses childcare, or local libraries, or goes to the park, but their families all pay rates don't they? do you understand that maybe not you but others need these services? sure maybe some or a lot of people would rather not pay as much uni fees each semester but then dont you still want to go to the bar? or get representation if you need it? or support from uni councillors? or go to a bbq or ball or an event of any other kind held by a club at uni? i have a biased view on this i guess cause this year im president of a club at uni but there is so much stuff that you get from those fees here at least that without them would almost be non existent or very threatened at least. yeah it can be a pain to pay but then you get to enjoy the benefits of it and if you dont well then sorry if your uni is shit or you dont take advantage of your time there.

and immigration, far out this country is built on immigration! i can see the arguments "well why dont they come the proper way like everyone else" and "fucken queue jumpers why should they be special" well you know fuck if your husband has just been murdered by the government and you dont really wanna stay where you are you might not have a choice but to get on someones dodgy boat and come here, fuck what crimes have they committed to deserve being locked up in a prison while they are checked out? and what kind of government deports its own citizens by accident because they cant even look after them properly and check them out?

what kind of government sacrifices its own production and workers to get on the good side of the yanks with a free trade agreement? get a backbone johnny and tell mr dubya "fuck off im not sending my fucking SAS who could rip your troops to shreds on some stupid fucked up invasion unless you take my fucking steel and corn flakes too!"




eh a bit longer than i expected but ah well

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Originally posted by Philby fuck what crimes have they committed to deserve being locked up in a prison while they are checked out?

Perhaps because they have burnt/destroyed or whatever they do and dont have papers. Lets allow them to roam around while the g'ment tries to find out exactly who they are. Thing is though nearly every country has the same problem, minus where these people are coming from, because who wants to run there. Don't see a problem with our current immigration laws.

im not saying put them up in the fuckin hyatt or something but seriously i doubt most of them are criminals, surely they could get better conditions. its literally driving them insane. and fuckin why outsource all this shit? selling telstra and stuff, privitisation of utilities and things like private transport and prisons, hospitals too? at least if its government run then its accountable to the people, once you start selling shit off like that then its only accountable to the shareholders, and the shareholders just want more profit. and people do anything just to get more profit. which usually involves something making the service they are providing less efficient or reliable.

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Originally posted by Philby im not saying put them up in the fuckin hyatt or something but seriously i doubt most of them are criminals, surely they could get better conditions.

Whats so bad about their current conditions?
Do they not have a roof over their head, do they not get adequate food?

i guess it depends on what you think is adequate food or treatment, im sure as hell not complaining that i dont have barbed wire fences around my windows but hey whatever floats your boat (or sinks it and throws children overboard )

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Originally posted by Philby i guess it depends on what you think is adequate food or treatment,

You have yet to tell me whats so inadequate though?

whack em in a nursing home.

there, problems solved

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Originally posted by narcism You have yet to tell me whats so inadequate though?

well i said in my first post i might not know enough to back it up

you are basically locked up, that seems pretty inadequate to me at least. being surrounded by an electric fence instead of a nice picket or brick fence i think is inadequate. being denied access to medication i would say is inadequate. being punished for complaining that personal belongings were not transferred along with him from another detention centre i would say is inadequate. not having fresh water running throughout the day i would also say is inadequate.

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I think John Howard has lost the plot.

He is usually an excellent judge of public opinion, he has an incredible nack of testing which way the wind blows. But this IR legislation.....he has completely lost it.

Every single person I've spoken to are against this shit, and I mean everyone!!! People are really pissed off.

Anyone interested there will be a huge protest on the 15th of November 2005 (Australia wide). We may not be able to reach Howard, but we can send a very clear message to the Liberal members in the Senate that if they want to keep their jobs....they vote this legislation down.

BTW this'll be my first protest.....(I'm getting excited)

Whatever you think of the liberal party, one thing is clear: John Howard is not going anyway until the I.R. reforms are throught the Senate. He has waited 30 years (since his last opportunity, as Treasurer, lost to the then P.M.) for these reforms to be realised. He's not going until they're through.

Whatever happens then will probably depend on the political outlook at the time.

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