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RebeL9
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Maybe I'm still not clear enough, so I'll give it another try. I totally argee the Techno roots are in Detroit.

An example: What is a Lamborghini?
Answer of most people: It's an Italien Super Sportcar, a dreamcar.

I would not have any problem with that answer, because Lamborghini became known Worldwide with it's cars.
But, originally Lamborghini build TRACTORS.
The man behind it, I don't know if his name was Lamborghini, believed he could make better cars than Ferrari, so he made a sportscar of his own.

So if someone asks what is Techno? The Detroit roots are just a very small part of the whole answer. That Techno changed or developed rapidly in the 90's and maybe is unrecognizable compared to Detroit Techno probably is the biggest issue. The same happend to Trance and Hardcore.
Why does the name "Detroit Techno" exist if it's the One And Only?

So to me the "Techno Cat" bassline (in combination with the rest of this track) is the rhythm which could be IDD as Techno and not as Rave, maybe a bit Trance, not Club, not Hardcore, not Gabber, not Happy Hardcore. Maybe it chould be called EU Techno, or 90's Techno.

Lots of info's at this site, but it's in German...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno

So topic starter, if you want examples made in the 90's I can give you some. Detroit Techno examples I leave to the fans of the Detroit Techno. What you like most is up to you, I will remain a Trance fan, who also liked some spinoffs of Techno in the time they were most popular.


no you are still wrong. the Detroit sound is very much alive even today. In fact most of the big techno DJs today have a sound based on the detroit sound.


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Trance-M
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
no you are still wrong. the Detroit sound is very much alive even today. In fact most of the big techno DJs today have a sound based on the detroit sound.


I don't believe I said the Detroit sound is dead, I couldn't, because I don't follow this part of the Techno scene. I absolutely have no problem with the Detroit sound. Just with the fact that your answers to the question "What is Techno?" ONLY refer to the Detroit sound, which in your opinion probably is the only sound which may be called Techno. I agree it is the oldest, but nowadays it's a subgenre and I cann't believe it was the biggest style of Techno.

I stop this discussion, because you are as flexible as a rock.
This site explains it all, or did they make the mistake by placing "Detroit Techno" among the substyles....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music

or:

http://www.technoguide.de/a/index.p...d=268&Itemid=93

http://www.technoguide.de


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RebeL9
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
I don't believe I said the Detroit sound is dead, I couldn't, because I don't follow this part of the Techno scene. I absolutely have no problem with the Detroit sound. Just with the fact that your answers to the question "What is Techno?" ONLY refer to the Detroit sound, which in your opinion probably is the only sound which may be called Techno. I agree it is the oldest, but nowadays it's a subgenre and I cann't believe it was the biggest style of Techno.

I stop this discussion, because you are as flexible as a rock.
This site explains it all, or did they make the mistake by placing "Detroit Techno" among the substyles....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music

or:

http://www.technoguide.de/a/index.p...d=268&Itemid=93

http://www.technoguide.de


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i still don't get you. techno is techno just as that wikipedia site tells. the techno artists I mentioned are still active today which says there. Scooter is not some kind of new wave techno.


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s3nate
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver

quote:

Trance:
Layers:__________6-15
Melodies:________3-7
Made with:_______Synths, beatboxes, real instruments, samples, vocals, random sounds, electric guitars, acidboxes, etc.
Melody lengths:__10 seconds, to 2 minutes
Top 40 Hits:_____around 30 in North America, around 300 in Europe.
Song structure:__Starts small, like a techno song, then adds layer after layer, building to climax of uber-layyered energy, often with tricks like taking away the beat to listen to the melody, then bringing it all back like a motha****a. Or maybe it gently reconnects them or something (there are hundreds of ways to build it up). By the middle there are a large number of melodies, most of which are parts of one another, and speeding up of the others. Sometimes vocals are added during the buildup, and sometimes vocals are added during the "breakdown", or when it builds up, or often not at all. Sometimes they are really repetitive, like one phrase over and over, and sometimes they're as ever-changing as classical. Most trance has crazy little "flying-sounds", and often contains really long air strings, and runaway melodies. Techno people hate it. It's WAY too memorable (read: good) and "poppy" (read: successful) for their snobbish razor-thin repetitive tastes.

Techno:
Layers:__________1-4
Melodies:________0-2 (95% of all techno is 100% beats, although some detroit stuff has one or two short melodies)
Made with:_______beatboxes, samples
Melody lengths:__1 second to 7 seconds (7 seconds is rare)
Top 40 Hits:_____0 in North America, around 30 in Europe.
Song Structure:__A beat starts at the beginning, then a couple beat layers are added at some point, which then repeat throughout the song, for the entire length. Sometimes there are cool little effects in the song, and sometimes the beats do funky little things. But that's about it. (it's okay sometimes, and some of the cooler ones are good). A techno song would look like a flat line, where trance would be all over the place. There are no vocals in techno (although there is an occasional vocal sample, or a particularly innovative song that adds them. Not that vocals are neccessary.)


Taken from http://www.listology.com/content_sh...ontent_id.11874

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Trance-M
Since 1994 tranceaddict



Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
There are no vocals in techno


Which track is considered to be the first worldwide Techno hit?
(so which entered the TOP40)

So by adding vocals something still can be Techno.


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basd
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quote:
Originally posted by s3nate
Taken from http://www.listology.com/content_sh...ontent_id.11874

What a genuine piece of excrement.


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omela843
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: sweden, gotland

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
Your choice of arguements are the same as thousands of teenagers I here in Sweden. They believe that everything with a bassline is automaticly techno. And I can't count the number of times I've told various people that Scooter is not techno just because their website say so. They are just living on the hype.
Here in Sweden for example there are some CDs which is called Trance blabla something. But there is not a single trance tune on them. Only cheesy eurodance. Just because the CD cover tells you that its techno or trance doesn't mean that the content is.
And most commercial CD labels just got money in mind. How can they sell a compilation the easiest way? By putting techno on the CD cover and the kids will think "wow this is banging techno I must have it!" but instead its full of Scooter and Lasgo.

And if we believed that Scooter actually made techno would we also believe what Warp Brothers are saying on their website:
"You might somehow compare the style of the Warp Brothers to Prodigy or Chemical Brothers but the truth is that they created their own creative and unique sound."? HAH!


so, is that song that is played in scooters site when you open it techno or not?

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trewqy
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: BangCOCK

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No it isnt.

People always mislabel genres.

You wanna hear techno..listen to artists like sven vath, liebing, some old school carl cox

Lets just put it this way.

When you listen to a techno song, it always sounds edgier, with much emphasis on rhythm. Basically you will NOT hear any syths(synthesizers keyboards) or hear very little of it. It sounds very mechanical and is very very reptitive to the untrained ear.

Meaning unlike trance, it doesnt have a melody.

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basd
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Registered: Jul 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by trewqy
Meaning unlike trance, it doesnt have a melody.

Yes it does. Just not all of it.


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trewqy
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I want him to be clear on the definition.

Start from the basics, and from there he can recognise which one sounds like which.

For all u know he'll think some techtrance shit is techno, and some acid techno stuff from dave the drummer is actually trance.

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SYSTEM-J
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I fail to see how you can associate Scooter with techno, Detroit or otherwise. There is nothing to suggest that the two have any connection. Apart from its initial resemblence to electro, techno has not changed that much in 20 years. Just because everyone started calling dance music "techno" in 1990, doesn't mean everything that got that label is techno.


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