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Originally posted by Aiwendil Actually, in truth your exposure is sheltered, and his generalizations show that he knows more about who's listening to the music than you do. Your only "rebuttal" for his historically correct musical observations as it relates to various cultures is who you saw at some clubs in your town? Eye laugh.

thank you...


groundhog boy...
i didn't say all asians, i just singled them out because they are a HUGE majority that are into it BECAUSE of the drugs, theres also a lot of whites, but then they also make the music/dj the music and have a MASSIVE MASSIVE fan base that use no drugs,,,, im sure you and your little group of asian friend amoung many others enjoy trance without drugs, im happy for you... but theres still a massive amout of asians that are in it for that reason.

Toronto is a very very multiculturaled city, and i've seen it countless times, at a lot of different clubs.. its a fact.. period

o by the way.. you said you found americans little niche of asians that dont do tons of drugs?? Good for you, but guess what, they're all out on the dance floor along with the ones that do do tons of drugs.

lmao

ps.. i dj so im pretty up on whats goin on with the crowd

tutby

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Originally posted by Numidia Would that classically trained musician be able to properly synthesize his own sounds on a synth, or properly use MIDI, or be able to make all the levels on the track be just right? Probably not. Half of producing trance is technical as well as musical ability. I'm sorry, but when people belittle the amount of work and skill it takes to make a great trance tune, it pisses me off.

The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer.

It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot.

In the same vein, the creativity and craft required to study, learn, apply, and play a musical instrument is so beyond the reach of today's ADD-riddled bedroom producers that most of them would give up long before they figure out how to compose anything meaningful with it. That's why they enjoy VSTs and softsynths.

If you think learning MIDI or applying an ADSR envelope is some sort of sophisticated, arcane task that precious few are capable of doing, then you're either really stupid or really lousy at doing it.

To be fair, it does take awhile to figure out how softsynths work, but it's nowhere near the amount of technical expertise, care, quality, and practise required in actually learning how to play a genuine instrument, and play it well. Anyone who doesn't know a single thing about electronic music can load up a mad libs template on a sequencer and belch out a rudimentary house track in a day. With a couple weeks instruction and training, they can begin producing semi-decent, quality work. In under a year, they can have a marginally decent hit on their hands, if all things marketing wise is taken care of.

You can't specify that timetable for a real musician in any capacity.

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Originally posted by IgnazZio Because trance is intelligent music.

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Originally posted by Numidia I'm pointing out that trance music is intelligent because the same people who come up with the melodies are the same people who produce it... I'm confused as to what you're argument is? Are you inferring that every classically trained musician is an accomplished producer as well? All you did was list off a handful of people with classical training who can also produce, that in no way represents the majority.

You DO know these guys almost exclusively use electronic instruments (synths, etc.), don't you?

EDIT: My point, since the subtlety seems to be lost, is to say that just because an EDM producer can fiddle around with equipment and make music doesn't make them in league with classically trained producers who do the exact same thing, and have created more compelling music in the process instead of relying on auto-arpeggiators to do the job for them.

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You gotta remember that all music is appriciated by at least one person of one race... except for speedcore and noizecore, those people are just weird.

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Originally posted by Ishkur The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer. It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot.

speaking of white people ........




that has to be the stupidiest post I've read today, kudos Ishkur

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Originally posted by Roger Federer speaking of white people ........ that has to be the stupidiest post I've read today, kudos Ishkur

You should make a living out of being a fool.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil You should make a living out of being a fool.

does working in the Circus count??

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Originally posted by Ishkur The difference between a classically trained musician and a electronically trained one is the difference between an archer and a musketeer. It takes a lifetime to learn how to use a bow & arrow effectively. But only an hour to train someone how to use a musket, despite the fact that the musket is a more complicated weapon. But that's because the musket does all the work. All the musketeer has to do is point and shoot. In the same vein, the creativity and craft required to study, learn, apply, and play a musical instrument is so beyond the reach of today's ADD-riddled bedroom producers that most of them would give up long before they figure out how to compose anything meaningful with it. That's why they enjoy VSTs and softsynths. If you think learning MIDI or applying an ADSR envelope is some sort of sophisticated, arcane task that precious few are capable of doing, then you're either really stupid or really lousy at doing it. To be fair, it does take awhile to figure out how softsynths work, but it's nowhere near the amount of technical expertise, care, quality, and practise required in actually learning how to play a genuine instrument, and play it well. Anyone who doesn't know a single thing about electronic music can load up a mad libs template on a sequencer and belch out a rudimentary house track in a day. With a couple weeks instruction and training, they can begin producing semi-decent, quality work. In under a year, they can have a marginally decent hit on their hands, if all things marketing wise is taken care of. You can't specify that timetable for a real musician in any capacity.

Your post makes so much sense to me Ishkur. Ive been a member since Feb 2001 under a different name, and I have to admit that I love your posts and System-J and a few other TA members more because of the extensive knowlege of music (not just EDM) and I'm also a big supporter of trancecritic.com. You could take the best tracks ever produced by a EDM producer and it wont amount to the genuine masterpieces out there composed by real musicians who have mastered genuine instruments as Ishkur mentioned (like the piano, violin, etc) It would really be a unfair comparison because the answer is clear is crystal. Btw, I loved the use of comparison with the bow & arrow and the musket