Haha... Obviously he had a hand in those calls being made.. he's one of the main people who runs the company.. Don't be naive.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh get a grip. This has nothing to do with the ego of the headliner or DJ worship. The fact is that people are going to be at the club all night, and warm-up DJs are intended to warm the floor up- not wear out the club within the first hour. The headline DJ is booked to peak the night. It's perfectly understanble that Armin wanted the warm-up guys to keep the tempo down: it'd kill the night if everyone on the dancefloor was knackered before the headliner had even started his set.

amen... i don't know why ppl are attacking armin for it either... a mate of mine warmed up for sasha and was told not to go above a certain DB level, and not to go over a certain bpm...

warming up isn't about trying to steal someone's limelight... it's about warming up the crowd for the main act... the music industry is to political and cut throat for it's own good imo... i remember when it was about music, and love for music...

well,

in the end i guess everyone's perception is based on whether or not they are willing to go with "social heirachy" and to what point they see it as necessary...

in the end, that's what it really comes down in determining whether or not ur bothered by things like this or not.

heh, warming up doesn't mean you have to play slow crappy music. There are good tunes that are not peak songs. So you wont hear 3 hours of pre-designated music. To me an opener will get ya moving a bit and keep it interesting. The good openers Ive seen have played grooving sets, even peaked once er so about a half hour 45 mins before the headline and it was good.

one reason I still think openers should keep it calm came from the night I first saw eddie halliwell and ferry corsten. We had our usual opener play for an hour, just some prog type stuff, then eddie got on. He started slow for a half hour and then went off for like an hour or an hour and a half. I mean went off, then ferry got on and it just kinda went down from there. yea Ferry played a great set, but after eddie tore it up it wasn't the same.


then I saw oakenfold play before halliwell. That worked soo much better, Oaky played just some prog/trance type tunes, nothing too good and then eddie tore it up. Much better night.


maybe its just me but I don't think I can dance to peak music for 6 hours a night. I like the build up of slower grooving dancing before I go insane.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 one reason I still think openers should keep it calm came from the night I first saw eddie halliwell and ferry corsten. We had our usual opener play for an hour, just some prog type stuff, then eddie got on. He started slow for a half hour and then went off for like an hour or an hour and a half. I mean went off, then ferry got on and it just kinda went down from there. yea Ferry played a great set, but after eddie tore it up it wasn't the same.

haha, that so reminds me of gatecrasher @ n-ice this year. they had riley & durrant, matt hardwick, eddie halliwell, judge jules, ferry & tiesto.. in that order. i guess at bigger events they throw night structure out the window.. cos eddie came on playing banging techno/techtrance at 11:30pm getting the entire place jumping like mad... followed by jules bashing out similar harder stuff until 2 when ferry came on. the next 4 hours just felt a bit drained cos both ferry & tijs started off with slow mellow trance before building up to uplifting stuff.. just didn't feel like dancing to it.

at last years one they had pvd headlining, and put joof, marco v and eddie after him, which was much better.

the opener's job is sooooo important. it can really affect the night if it isnt done right. and when you are at the level of armin, or tiesto... you just cant have a bad show. or at least you try to avoid it at all costs- i mean, listen to you guys, read some of the threads. one of these guys has an off night and they get torn to bits. the bigger you are, the bigger the desire of peple to knock you down, and proper management has to take that into consideration.

i ahve been on both sides of it too, i have had locals opening for me who thought of opening like a rock band opens. "I'm gonna play my shit". so they are on at 138 bpm and i have NOWHERE TO GO FROM THERE. on the other hand, every DJ i have ever opened for, i have done a little research as to where they start their sets- either an advance email, phone call, or just listening to a couple recent sets online. i prepare myself to SET IT UP FOR THEM. that's what it is. the set up. when i warm up for a trancer, i get to rock out as much as i want because i dont want to play as fast or "peaky" as they do. its natural. but when i opened for people like pappa or JVM i never went over 126 bpm.

think of it like foreplay if you want.

when i warm up, the vibe of the night is my reward. yeah, its still fun, but i am not up there to show everyone how great i am. i am up there to contribute to a great night. every booking agent should stipulate the sounds of the warm up dj- too many promoters dont understand how to book professionals to warm up the room.

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy Trust me, I'm in NO way a fan of Ishkur, but he's got a point with his whole Superstar DJ Theory. And this topic further reinforces that. Instead of a DJ wanting people coming to a club to have a good time, the WHOLE time they are there, they want their set to be the only thing to focus on, and therefore they are the center of attention, not the music. So I'm paying a 20$ cover charge to hear 6 hours of good music, when in reality I'm paying 20$ to hear 3 hours of pre-designated music, and 3 hours of good stuff. Such crap. If Armin is so worried what someone is going to play before him, then he should get on the decks as soon as the club opens, and this way no one else has a chance of playing his tracks. I remember when everyone was talking about how Armin was "The People's DJ" but in the last year of so he's going the way of Tiestenfold. C'est la vie, bring on the new Dutch Trancers, whoever they may be.

You're gonna get a lot of repeated tracks if you do that.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh get a grip. This has nothing to do with the ego of the headliner or DJ worship. The fact is that people are going to be at the club all night, and warm-up DJs are intended to warm the floor up- not wear out the club within the first hour. The headline DJ is booked to peak the night. It's perfectly understanble that Armin wanted the warm-up guys to keep the tempo down: it'd kill the night if everyone on the dancefloor was knackered before the headliner had even started his set.

yes i agree perfectly fine by me, i dont see what the big fuss is about. man to organise a good night it needs to have good direction in the nights proceedings. just makes it that more enjoyable for everyone i guess.

thats what opening dj's are for, to get the crowd ready for the headliner...why is that so hard to understand?

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy Trust me, I'm in NO way a fan of Ishkur, but he's got a point with his whole Superstar DJ Theory. And this topic further reinforces that.

i disagree... i'm no fan of ishkur either... he has got a point with the Superstar Theory.. but this in no way reinforces it...

the best is if the warm up djs doesnt play the same tracks as the headliner but still outshines him. then there are no excuses for Arminz and tieztorz "oh u damn warmupper you played tracks from my label, i am not in the spotlight no longer!! curse u!!!"

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