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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ excess protein will be excreted by the body, for the most part...isn't saying "it's not good for you" somewhat misleading?

no it's not b/c by excreting it has an effect on kidneys and when it's in excess than your kidneys must secrete more and then the entire process of absorbtion/excretion works harder and not to go into physiology too much it's basically not good if that happens.

as far as protein recommendation per kg someone mentioned here it's .8 grams per kg of body weight per day thus 56 grams per day for males and 44 grams for female. if you're building muscle mass then it's more, more like 110-120 grams per day for males and 85-95 for females. for endurance trainers it's a little less than for strength but more than normal values. thus it all depends what you're doing with your body.

remember that the worst thing you can do is keep switching diets and workout programs constantly. it puts a huge stress on your body and thus will fuck up your immune system in the process. when that happens, well, yes, you're fucked!! then you must take globulin to try to get your immune system back however that's very difficult.

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Originally posted by Tiesto4Life as an almost-grad kinesiology student, all i can do is at this statement. sorry buddy but when you don't know something for a fact, please don't post it for all people to see b/c there are some that might believe you and that could seriously lead them to health concerns/problems (that's if they are dumb enuf to actually go ahead and listen to this kind of statements). 23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month??????? wow man, as a personal trainer myself, maybe i should quit and learn from your trainer seeing how he did that to you!! and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts. if you eat too much of protein it's not good for you and in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised. you want protein? go get egg whites and make your own shake with real juice and berries at home. too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach. so because you constantly hear how good this or that is, everything is only good in moderation!! don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition. rather talk to a specialist in nutrition, take tests from your doctor and see what you need or lacking in your body and only then you may take supplements. and use common sence too. remember: all of this protein shake'n'bake stuff, it's all marketing. and protein is primarily used to decrease muscle soreness from microscopic damage that's done to your tissues so it restores muscle tissue. it doesn't build muscle in your body. if you lie on your coach all day long and take protein it wont help you build muscle mass. it will help you get back to the gym the next day without feeling like you're dead. and also it doesn't contribute much to energy (ATP) at all. only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates. you're using all the energy to lift the weights from your carbs (50-60%) and when task becomes longer and you require oxygen (ie. running) then you're using primarily your stored fat sources. anyway, for anyone out there who's looking to find answers to their questions, i can help you out from what i know and from what all my textbooks know.

Man you give good kine. students a bad name.
"23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month???????"
This is possible, not for most - but for some.

"and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts."
Yeah but join the real world buddy. To get everything you need from food, you need to eat alot of it...which also comes with alot of calories. Supplementation does fill a necessary gap for some people.

"in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised."
Proof???

"too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach."
Absurd. Which vitamins cause this? I suppose vitamin C?

"don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition."
Absurd and elitist. Supplements are regulated. And the Canadian gov't is quite strict. Christ we can't even buy Stevia at very many places in Canada! What's your fear of supplements? Your taking what the forth year nutrition prof. has fed you as gospel. Mistake!

"only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates."
Yeah but alot of the rest of it used in its amino acid form for hormone production. In the gentleman asking for advices' case and most importantly, natually produced testosterone.

And for God sakes don't talk to a dietician either....they are waaay behind in thinking on this stuff too. They'll speak to you like this guy did.....

Interesting how this kinda morphed into a nutrition session but hey, it's an important part of the overall process

As far as vitamins go, I've been taking suppliments for well over 10 years now and I'm talking a GOOD multi-vitamin, not these 'bed-pan bullets' that go right through you either...

Interestingly enough, I'm going to have access to an actual DNA swab test that will determine exactly what area I'll need supplimentation in.
No more shotgun approach to buying vitamins! Thank God!

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Some of you were asking how this is going and so far so good, even though it got off to a rough start.

The trainer I started with landed up leaving about 4-5 sessions in so I became 'orphaned' for a month or so.

I was about to go one Sat. to find out what happened when I got a call the Thursday before from a new guy who was going to take over my sessions.
Cool!
Lands up this guy is ex-military from out West (Edmonton) but has been doing personal training for the last 4 years.
Nice guy, not the barking Sarge-type you might have going through your heads right about now.

We started in the beginning of May and after one month (4 weeks) have lost 10pds and 2% of body fat.
He wants to put me up on gym wall....lol!

I'm about 1/2 way through the original sessions and have ordered more; wish me luck!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r We started in the beginning of May and after one month (4 weeks) have lost 10pds and 2% of body fat. He wants to put me up on gym wall....lol! I'm about 1/2 way through the original sessions and have ordered more; wish me luck!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

That is super awesome... what an accomplishment! Definately keep up the good work!!!

How are you doing with eating?

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Originally posted by Killah Monkey CONGRATULATIONS!!! That is super awesome... what an accomplishment! Definately keep up the good work!!! How are you doing with eating?

Diet isn't usually a big problem because the wifey and I have been sculpting that process over the years.

Low on the bread end, taking our multi-vitamins, staying away from the 'oses' - glucose, fructose, etc., corn syrup (you'd be amazed how much these things are in EVERYTHING! ), no carbs after 6pm, protein drinks, and smaller meals at regular intervals <<-- the toughy.

I have one or so days where I can eat/drink what I want but within limits of course

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Diet isn't usually a big problem because the wifey and I have been sculpting that process over the years. Low on the bread end, taking our multi-vitamins, staying away from the 'oses' - glucose, fructose, etc., corn syrup (you'd be amazed how much these things are in EVERYTHING! ), no carbs after 6pm, protein drinks, and smaller meals at regular intervals <<-- the toughy. I have one or so days where I can eat/drink what I want but within limits of course

Very nice... that makes a huge difference.

Have you noticed a change in your energy levels?

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Originally posted by Killah Monkey Very nice... that makes a huge difference. Have you noticed a change in your energy levels?

Before or after the training...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Before or after the training...

That looks like me after my training sessions. Zero energy for anything.

Congrats, Jeff! Keep up the good work!

I've been training since the first week of March, down 32 lbs, all fat. I think I can lose another 20 by the wedding, at least.

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i just started with a personal trainer 3 weeks ago and on friday i'm finishing the first training package. i've made so much progress in such little time that he's run out of stuff to do with me within the 'basic' package. funny enough though i've only been really sore the first two times, every other time i've felt like going back the next day. but, honestly, not that i have much body fat i need to loose (~6kg i think to reach my 'ideal weight), - just the mere fact of getting in shape, doing cardio & toning, eating consciously well & fitting into my new clothes - besides the fact that he is cute & hot (great motivational factor!! hehehe!) i feel absolutely revived and refreshed. now i'm wondering why the hell i've put this off for so long??? this is my new addiction! love feeling & looking good!

for whoever is having second thoughts - just do it! the rewards are so amazing! i see it with myself...it takes the smallest effort to see the first real results within the littlest time and that is the best 'high' to be on!

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disko-kandi and tatgirl that's awesome!!

You're going to be like brand new women when you're done (or does one ever finish?)...hubba hubba

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."