I will burn the spanish flag, of course

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Originally posted by xabistg I will burn the spanish flag, of course

In your case, we're talking about the Basque one

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Originally posted by Lira In your case, we're talking about the Basque one

The ikurriña NEVER

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Originally posted by blazed it if i'm not hurting anything (it's a piece of cloth!)I dont' see why not....

you have no sense of symbolism now do you ?

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Im particularly concerned about the American flag, but feel free to respond either way. Do you think there is something that an administration could do or not do that would make you angry enough to want to burn a flag in protest? Why? What would that be? My personal opinion is that the right to burn the American flag is one of our greatest freedoms, and yes there have been times when I think it would be appropriate. The first being when we went to war in Iraq and the second being when Bush got reelected.

I am all for freedeom of speech. But burning the American or any other country's flag because you disagree with what one politican such as Bush did or his being re-elected is plain dumb. Disrepecting the country you live in by burning its flag based on the actions of one person or your disappointment in the results of an election makes no sense and does not result in any change in the election results or policies that you disagree with.

Many people died in order to raise that flag you wish to burn and in order to keep it raised. Think about them and the great disrespect you are doing them, their efforts, their families, their loss, and their memory, and not Bush when you consider burning the flag. Do you really think the American flag represents Bush or he the flag? The only flag he works under is the Saudi flag, or maybe a new flag of the $100.00 bill.

Your efforts and energy are better put to use by getting out there and informing people why they should disagree with the policies and decisions you take issue with. By adequately informing people what certain politicians truly stand for before elections take place you may be able to avoid the type of results you complain of and which we all have had to live with in the US for the past 6 years. By burning the flag you accomplish nothing and just give Bush & company ammo to say you are anti-American, extremists, etc., eventhough you may not be and have legitimate concerns. Yet right now there are islamic extremists burning the American flag all over the middle east, wishing death upon all Americans. This example makes it clear that burning the flag is hardly a form of constructive criticism, and more like a showing of total and complete hatred towards the country and its people. Hating an election result or a policy decision should never make anyone hate this country we live in and/or its people, which is what the flag represents.

Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by av1 Many people died in order to raise that flag you wish to burn and in order to keep it raised. Think about them and the great disrespect you are doing them, their efforts, their families, their loss, and their memory, and not Bush when you consider burning the flag. Do you really think the American flag represents Bush or he the flag? The only flag he works under is the Saudi flag, or maybe a new flag of the $100.00 bill.

Right, see maybe that should be the question. What does your flag represent to you? For me its not the people that have fought and died for the country, its the reason that they had to go fight and die. I look at the flag a representation of the country as a whole, and if my country isnt moving foward in the direction that I would expect it to, I blame those in charge. In this case the Bush administration. Dont get me wrong, theres a lot more besides the war that Im thinking of. But if an administration ever did something that was worth that kind of protest, I would have no problem sitting outside 1600 Penn Ave and burning a flag. Its an incredible right, to be able to do soemthing like that, and it says "we've had enough," not, "we want to disrespect the country."

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Its an incredible right, to be able to do soemthing like that, and it says "we've had enough," not, "we want to disrespect the country."

The problem is that perception is everything, and people burning a flag are not perceived as sending a positive message. Irrespective of what the position truly is it only weakens their position and gives Bush & company or whoever your beef is with an easy avenue to get away from the real issues and just attack the form of the message (flag burning) instaed of the substance of the message (disagreement with his policies and people voting for him). You have heard the saying form over substance right. Politicians love it when you make it easy on them to avoid the true issues by creating another one which they may have a better angle on. For instance by burning the flag to show unhappiness with Bush and his war policies you alienate a lot of people that may not agree with Bush's war policies at all (including many members of the armed forces past and present), and then that shifts the debate from one issue that Bush cannot win on (the war) to one he can win on (flag burning).

If as you state the message is "we have had enough," say it, write it, discuss it, debate it, tell people why in detail, and for God's sake go out and use the truly most important right any American and/or person living in any democratic society has and VOTE against those which you take issue with. You can all burn flags until you die, but without exercising the right to vote it all means nothing at all.

I could burn my flag, but I have never wished to.

Would never do it. Hate those that do, but respect their right to do so.

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Originally posted by Swamper If you want to bitch and whine about your sig being edited then PM me with what it was and I'll look into it. Posting a thread about this wastes everyone's time

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie ...burn a flag... ?

Or eat it like Zoidberg did in Futurama.

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I think there is a law agianst burning United States flag in America.