CDJ's ARE more accurate than Tehcnics 1200's. Sorry, but it's true. Anyone who spins both regulary knows this.

Your argument that CDJ's are digital and TT's are analog is exactly the reason why CDJ's are more accurate. The pitch doesn't drift in digital land, ever.

And if you've played with CDJ-1000's in 6%/.02 pitch accuracy mode, you'll realize that to move the pitch slider only .02%, you have to move it the smallest fraction of a hair. It is even less granular than a 1200's slider.

And you're also not taking into account all of the other issues with TT's... warped records, bad pressings, fluctuations in power... all of those result in a pitch accuracy which is much worse than the magic "wow and flutter" number that everyone talks about.

Spinning vinyl and getting those tight mixes is much more difficult with vinyl.

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Originally posted by Inertia seriously, this CDJ being more accurate than turntables notion has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever. people, think about it. TURNTABLES ARE ANALOG. CDJs are digital. in other words, CDJs have what you cal pitch increments. the best players in the world are still stuck at +/-0.02% this means, you can only variate your pitch by that much. so say to have a perfectly matched track, you need to have it at +0.025%. you can do nothing. however, a turnable is analog, it will variate by as much as you move the slider. in other words, a turntable in perfect condition is as accurate as YOU are with the slider. you can have it at +0.01%, +0.001% or even +0.000549863987608360347%. in conclusion, you can get a more accurate match on turntables, period. that some people do find it easier to spin on CDJs? true. that correcting is easier? true. but they are in no way more accurate.

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Originally posted by est Yeah, you can rip vinyl to digital easily. However, if a DJ wanted to play a tune on vinyl (for whatever reason), but it was only released on digital, there's no way that could be done .

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Originally posted by keithos27 Serato Scratch Live

mmm...sooo want to try one of those.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 CDJ's ARE more accurate than Tehcnics 1200's. Sorry, but it's true. Anyone who spins both regulary knows this. Your argument that CDJ's are digital and TT's are analog is exactly the reason why CDJ's are more accurate. The pitch doesn't drift in digital land, ever. And if you've played with CDJ-1000's in 6%/.02 pitch accuracy mode, you'll realize that to move the pitch slider only .02%, you have to move it the smallest fraction of a hair. It is even less granular than a 1200's slider. And you're also not taking into account all of the other issues with TT's... warped records, bad pressings, fluctuations in power... all of those result in a pitch accuracy which is much worse than the magic "wow and flutter" number that everyone talks about. Spinning vinyl and getting those tight mixes is much more difficult with vinyl.

hah. i've spun on both. as long as your deck is in good condition, your pitch will not drift. bad pressings, warped records and fluctuations in power are a whole other deal. the point is, digital works in increments, analog doesn't.

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Originally posted by Inertia seriously, this CDJ being more accurate than turntables notion has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever. people, think about it. TURNTABLES ARE ANALOG. CDJs are digital. in other words, CDJs have what you cal pitch increments. the best players in the world are still stuck at +/-0.02% this means, you can only variate your pitch by that much. so say to have a perfectly matched track, you need to have it at +0.025%. you can do nothing. however, a turnable is analog, it will variate by as much as you move the slider. in other words, a turntable in perfect condition is as accurate as YOU are with the slider. you can have it at +0.01%, +0.001% or even +0.000549863987608360347%. in conclusion, you can get a more accurate match on turntables, period. that some people do find it easier to spin on CDJs? true. that correcting is easier? true. but they are in no way more accurate.

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Originally posted by Inertia hah. i've spun on both. as long as your deck is in good condition, your pitch will not drift. bad pressings, warped records and fluctuations in power are a whole other deal. the point is, digital works in increments, analog doesn't.

you're wrong and what you said is pointless. you don't need such increments as 0.000%, cause you won't hear a fucking difference. now here's simple math. 140 bpm. 1% = 1,4 beat drift per minute, 0,1% = 0,14 bpm, 0,01% = 0,014%, 0,001% = 0,0014%. now would you hear a trainwreck the size of 0,014% beat missmatch. naaaaaahhhh)))

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox you're wrong and what you said is pointless. you don't need such increments as 0.000%, cause you won't hear a fucking difference. now here's simple math. 140 bpm. 1% = 1,4 beat drift per minute, 0,1% = 0,14 bpm, 0,01% = 0,014%, 0,001% = 0,0014%. now would you hear a trainwreck the size of 0,014% beat missmatch. naaaaaahhhh)))

No he is right.

well as a user of both i have to say the CDJs are more accurate. if we want to be posh about things then no, they arnt really more accurate.

TTs dont hold their pitch perfectly - even technics. it aint always the tt it can be the vinyls fault - eg a warped one.

with CDs once you have the beats matched they STAY matched.
i very rarely make a correction even in a club during a mix. with turntables i rarely dont make a correction

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox you're wrong and what you said is pointless. you don't need such increments as 0.000%, cause you won't hear a fucking difference. now here's simple math. 140 bpm. 1% = 1,4 beat drift per minute, 0,1% = 0,14 bpm, 0,01% = 0,014%, 0,001% = 0,0014%. now would you hear a trainwreck the size of 0,014% beat missmatch. naaaaaahhhh)))

and, as it was earlier said, the CDJs are digital, meaning that if the track tempo is perfectly recorded, than the CDJ will play the track without tempo changes AT ALL...
(im talking about decent Pioneer CDJs, dunno about CLitronic, Grimini, Bearringear or whatever)

And as if anyone is actually GOOD ENOUGH to get that close, sorry, they aren't. It's all about being able to correct a mix BEFORE it goes out of time, not "can I get it to within .000001%".

And the notion that an analog slider has "limitless" precision is theoretical, and never actually occurs in practice. If you get two tracks to within .02% on CDJ's, they will not drift enough during a 5 minute mix for you to care.

Look at Tiesto. Now that he spins only CD's and declares Vinyl dead, he's been trainwrecking a whole lot less

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox you're wrong and what you said is pointless. you don't need such increments as 0.000%, cause you won't hear a fucking difference. now here's simple math. 140 bpm. 1% = 1,4 beat drift per minute, 0,1% = 0,14 bpm, 0,01% = 0,014%, 0,001% = 0,0014%. now would you hear a trainwreck the size of 0,014% beat missmatch. naaaaaahhhh)))

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 And as if anyone is actually GOOD ENOUGH to get that close, sorry, they aren't. It's all about being able to correct a mix BEFORE it goes out of time. And the notion that an analog slider has "limitless" precision is theoretical, and never actually occurs in practice. If you get two tracks to within .02% on CDJ's, they will not drift enough during a 5 minute mix for you to care. Look at Tiesto. Now that he spins only CD's and declares Vinyl dead, he's been trainwrecking a whole lot less :lol:

People dont have the skill to correct and control the pitch thats why the find it easy to spin on cds. A very technical techno dj uses technics with fs or serato & vinyl.
Why ? Because they play with 3 decks and are constantly mashing up things.
Cd decks just don't cut it for them.

With cd decks based on a 136 BPM goal pitch and worst case scenarios (desired pitch exactly halfway between 2 pitch incriments):

a 0.1% resolution as is on most cheap CD players will drift by .03626 Beats/Second, or a bit more than a 32nd note every second.

a .05% pitch resolution like on the sl-dz1200, cdj800, and wider ranges of other cdj1000 will drift by aproximately half that, .01813 beats/second, or a 32nd about every 2 seconds.

a .02$ pitch resolution as is on the narrow pitch ranges of the cdj200 and cdj1000mk2 and maybe a couple others will cause a 32nd note drift about every 5 seconds, or .007252 beats/second.

If you are constantly correcting pitch on TT's, why not do that same on CDJ's?

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Originally posted by harriz People dont have the skill to correct and control the pitch thats why the find it easy to spin on cds. A very technical techno dj uses technics with fs or serato & vinyl. Why ? Because they play with 3 decks and are constantly mashing up things. Cd decks just don't cut it for them. With cd decks based on a 136 BPM goal pitch and worst case scenarios (desired pitch exactly halfway between 2 pitch incriments): a 0.1% resolution as is on most cheap CD players will drift by .03626 Beats/Second, or a bit more than a 32nd note every second. a .05% pitch resolution like on the sl-dz1200, cdj800, and wider ranges of other cdj1000 will drift by aproximately half that, .01813 beats/second, or a 32nd about every 2 seconds. a .02$ pitch resolution as is on the narrow pitch ranges of the cdj200 and cdj1000mk2 and maybe a couple others will cause a 32nd note drift about every 5 seconds, or .007252 beats/second.