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Apparently some on the left are mobilizing to prevent military action against the U.S.-hating, terrorist-sponsoring, genocide-threatening, Nuke-seeking, Holocaust-denying, homosexual-executing theocrats of the Islamic Republic of Iran. From Little Green Footballs: Moonbats Launch Preemptive Anti-War Petition Mama Moonbat: Let Iran Get Nukes And at The Huffington Post, Bill Scher advises the left to start Reframing The Iran Debate. This is a must-read for seeing how far the "anti-war" left will go to evade the reality what kind of regime is confronting us. Excerpts: So far, the neoconservatives have done a good job of re-running their Iraq playbook and framing discussion on Iran, by laying out these premises: 1. Iran is close to getting nukes. 2. Iran's President is crazy and irrational and committed to wiping Israel off the map. He can't be reasoned with. 3. Bush is trying real super hard to get the UN to do something about it, but if they won't... If we are to have any hope of preventing a senseless war with Iran, we cannot accept this frame. If all of the above points are reported as fact and accepted by Americans across the ideological spectrum, anti-war arguments will be seen as knee-jerk, immature and reckless, and not get a fair hearing. In turn, Democrats in Congress will get steamrolled again. How can we reframe the discussion? Our arguments should flow from the following framework: 1. Iran presently has a strong, rational incentive to get nukes. ... 2. Iran has acted rationally and can be reasoned with. ... 3. There is plenty of time to negotiate. ...

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lol yes that was great....bookmarked that site for future reads. thanks...

i like this one..lol

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Isn't Iran in bed with Hezbollah?

wasnt U.S in bed with Bin laden in the past?

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Originally posted by Q5echo shut up.

Is that the best you can do?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well if Iran is Hezbollah. Hezbolla is Iran and it's the armed hand of the Mullahs, like you say...why is everyone bitching? Do these people want terrorists with nukes?. It's so silly how much these kids on here hate America.

ya Iran is truly a terrorist country since they attack and kill innocent people around the world.

when will you yanks stop calling everyone terrorists ffs?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What's scarier is this liberal belief that nukes in the hands of a mad-man only makes things 'globally fair' and then in the same breath, turn around and blame the West because of it...

Is it fair for Isreal to have them?please explaing why they should be allowed?for protection?why cant Iran have them for them same reason then?

LoL at madman.pleeeease the media is trying to create another monster out of this president.Fact is 85% of the people support him and voted for him so are you saying 85% of the Iranian people are mad too?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, after being tried for treason, sentenced to 3 years in prison and placed under house arrest when he was released, the british govt only then bothered to murder him? if you say so. the guy was almost 85 years old and i love it how youre ruling out natural causes.

refer back to my comment about Shah's murder by the government of Britain, you don't hear it that way on information sites such as wikipedia, but ever Iranian knows the real truth.

Natural causes, hah, sorry, but that was quite funny.

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Originally posted by deprivation Iran needs to be stopped now and not just by the U.S. Iran is a dangerous country that supports terrorism, threatens to destroy Israel, and let's not forget the American hostages taken in the late 1970's. If ever there was a country to be attacked for having WMD's, then Iran is it. The President even admits openly about nuclear capabilities and ignores the U.N. telling them not to expand their nuclear testing.

See the problem lies here, i doubt you even know why Iran was called a terrorist nation in the first place, because they supported Hezbollah. In western eyes, any threat to themselves or Israel is quickly realised as a terrorist concern. In Middle eastern eyes, America is a terrorist for supporting Israel but of course your going to deny it because Bush says so.

i see it so funny when opposition against America is brought up, were being evil. Nice going guys!

First off, it's all scare tactics that America is trying to do, and Iran knows this. Second of all, most oil exports from most of the middle eastern reserves travel through the Persian Gulf, which Iran can easily block and America knows it can but is hoping it doesn't, politicians all know this. There was even a great interview about this on TV.

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Originally posted by deprivation Iran needs to be stopped now and not just by the U.S. Iran is a dangerous country that supports terrorism, threatens to destroy Israel, and let's not forget the American hostages taken in the late 1970's.

There are many counries that would love to destroy Isreal and Iran is one of them.why not go after them?

But yeah they are very evil since they took those hostages 30 years ago. those were the times of revolution and your government was resposible for the revolution.

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If ever there was a country to be attacked for having WMD's, then Iran is it. The President even admits openly about nuclear capabilities and ignores the U.N. telling them not to expand their nuclear testing.

what about North Korea?they have openly said many times that they will use their nukes.Iran has no nukes and there is no proof that they are going after bombs.

you are an idiot really.WHAT NUCLEAR TESTINGS are you speaking of?do you know something that we dont?

If Iran gets attacked mark my words you will not be any safer.your precious soldiers in Iraq will get raped and Isreal will become a war zone.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I think my little nephew can sum up this arguement like this: MY NEPHEW:: Why does the news say we might go to war with Iran? ME:: Because Iran might make missiles that can kill millions of people and they hate us and Israel and are involved with terrorists. MY NEPHEW:: So they are bad guys, like on TV? ME:: Yes!! MY NEPHEW:: Well bad guys shouldnt have missiles like that. And he is 7!

you are both fuckin idiots for believing the lies that the media is feeding you.They are making a monster out of Iran.

RUN KIDS RUN IRAN IS COMING TO RAPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES!!!!

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Seems like HardCore and the rest of people who are opposing this are just riding on the America is evil and Bush is Hitler band wagon. It is so chic to hate America right now so they feel they are in the know..what i like to call a trend follower..and they call us sheep? HA!

Yup you are right 100% we all hate America just to look cool.Get some fuckin brain and open your eyes and see who is the real threat here.

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Funny thing is, if this was the almighty Clinton proposing this they would rally behind him and support it 100%....it is so sickening.

It is sick and disturbing to see how once again America is falling for lies and bullshits from this admin.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer wasnt U.S in bed with Bin laden in the past?

yes.

once again, you are way off base when you think you have an argument.

...but enlighten us on how you think those two have anything in relation to one another.

i sincerely, with all my faith in the youth of Canada, want you to tell me how it is. bitch-slap me with knowledge. get all Occrider on my ass with your Iran/Hezbollah/Bin Laden/America circlejerk theory.

i'm dead serious. make me look like the old fool you think i am

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Originally posted by Q5echo yes. once again, you are way off base when you think you have an argument. ...but enlighten us on how you think those two have anything in relation to one another.

your government works with the so called terrorists all the time when it is for their own intentions.



Hezbullah is not a terrorists organizaion.It is according to the U.S but then again everyone is a terrorists if they are against them or Isreal.


conclusion,before going and calling everyone terrorists come and take a look at your own government first and you will see that they are roots of of problems that we have today in that region.

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i sincerely, with all my faith in the youth of Canada, want you to tell me how it is. bitch-slap me with knowledge. i'm dead serious. make me look like the old fool you think i am.

Me and others have done that many times in the past and will continue to do so but whats the point really?talking to you is like trying to talk to a wall.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer your government works with the so called terrorists all the time when it is for their own intentions.

Bin Laden was not a terrorist 1984. as far as anyone knows including his family.

why were we helping the Afghan Mujahadeen? mind you, a full three years before the CIA knew who Bin Laden was.

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Hezbullah is not a terrorists organizaion.It is according to the U.S but then again everyone is a terrorists if they are against them or Isreal.

WRONG!!! the European Union (you know the EU right?) voted almost unanimously (473 to 8) in Mar 10, 2005 to declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization and freeze all assets under EU law. that was the word they used in the resolution. terrorists

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Many and others have done that many times and will continue to do so but whats the point really?talking to you is like trying to talk to a wall.

fair enough. don't say i never gave you a chance. you don't get many.


in addition, i just want you to know that i'm hawkish about a lot of things-communism, terrorism, Francoism, but not Iran.
i do not believe, barring some suicidal move on their part, this president will invade/occupy or whatever it is you think he'll do.
what this president has done though, is he has now isolated them from the worlds mainstream of democratic thought. it's tenuous. it's a fluid situation. and Bush has got his nuts out there for all the world to kick if they so desire, but the ball is now in the Mullahs court and they know that not only is the whole world looking at Bush's nut-sack they got one eye trained on them as well.

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