Alright, I feel the need to weigh in on this. Drugs are good, very good, but only if used correctly. There is time and place for everything but one must be careful to use only what substances are necessary/desired to acheive the type of party enhancement they are looking for and only in the minimum quantities required. Ideally, intoxicants (of all types) should be used only to highten an experience. If you're losing control of yourself or blacking out large blocks of time then chances are you've failed to obtain the intended goals of your substance use and subsequently you should reevaluate your activities. I think everyone knows I use certain substances regularly so I certainly cannot and quite frankly would not preach abstaining from drug use, however, knowing what to take, when, and in what quantity is key.

Above all else, please, know what you're taking, what the effects and potential side effects are, ensure you're with people who you trust and who care about your welfare, and take steps to minimize the probability of a bad experience or unwelcome effects.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

I don't know what to say ... I really just love this thread. It really hits close to home.

I've been partying for a couple years now, and only during the last 5 months have I experimented with E. I will never judge someone for their use of safer drugs, because I understand somewhat. Its just each time I did it, I began to feel more and more ... well, phoney. Like I was forgetting why I came to events. Everything would just go by so fast and then after I had to return to reality and face people I was lying to about my habits.

I guess the point is I'm really looking forward to the next event when I'm rocking out cause of the tunes under my own full control. I'm glad there are people on TA promoting safe partying and reminding people why they should go to a club ... tunes.

I dont see why this is only a drug problem. Cant the same be said for people drinking?
In fact I find the crowd to be alot friendlier and nicer on drugs then I do on those who are just drunk.
I also see less violence then the alcoholic crowd.

The only difference is, many of us say we go b/c we love the music.
And that might be the biggest reason why many of you are getting upset.

But lets face reality.. MOST people who go to Trance clubs/raves DONT go there because they love the music. They go there because they only LIKE the music and they LIKE to use drugs as well.
If you wanna remove people like that from the clubs and "clean it up". Then im sorry, but there wont be enough business to keep it open.

If you dont like it, then throw a house party with a "no drugs" rule.
Otherwise, you'll just have to get used to it.

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Interesting comment Superstring. I guess it kind of struck home with a conversation I was having with my gf yesterday, and the theme was exactly as you predicted. The last few times we've gone clubbing, we went with every intention of being sober. Dropping is just not as fun as it used to be. Drugs just aren't what they used to be. It really annoyed me that when we got to BeB we found out Armin wouldn't be spinning until 5:30. This seems to be the case with most bigger names now. They're not on until an hour or two before sunrise. I don't know nor do I believe that I'm the only one in this position. On several instances we've taken e just to stay awake to see a DJ spin. And if someone claims its the drugs that make me like the music, well I'll have to disagree. I listen to this music all the time, at any chance I get, in every situation I can. There were countless times that at whatever point in the middle of the day, I'll just recklessly start dancing. I enjoy the music much more when I'm sober. But parties here are rarely, if ever anymore, good enough to warrant staying till the wee hours of the morning.

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When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

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Originally posted by lopi When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

Amazing ... its the realization I've been coming to lately. I wish everyone could see this.

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Originally posted by tatgirl I am by no means some high and mighty anti-drug person- I've just never let drugs take control of me (maybe I am a rarity?).

I don't know you well enough Nat to comment on you in particular, but wouldn't you agree that almost everyone who has dabbled in drugs and then moderated themselves or stopped entirely at some point, said "this is too much" at one point or another? Many people don't stop or slow down until their bodies are screaming at them, until they are in debt, until there are reprocussions with family or friends or their job.

Re partying sober - it can be done, often is, but truthfully the party has to be amazing, absolutely incredible, for me to stay until dawn unassisted and I suspect it's like this for others. Nowadays I often go out until maybe 1 or 2am but at that point, find it difficult to stay later unless the music is really infectious - and for me, in this city, it often isn't. So that means I go to the club to hear the opening DJ and then leave - woohoo!

One thing that gets me about this board are the people who get ridiculously excited about DJs who are here 2, 3, 4 times a year - I mean - they'll be back! just because there is a DJ here who you enjoy doesn't mean you have to go out and get right fucked up and stay til the lights come on. it is just a DJ. it is just a party. IT WILL ALL HAPPEN AGAIN IN 6 MONTHS.

You can't stop anyone from doing what they ultimately want to do. everyone has different breaking points. everyone sees their drug use in a very personal way and won't listen to anyone else until their own body and mind shut down on their own and force change. I find the TOTA general population to be noticeably younger and suspect they'll learn quickly what they are doing to themselves as they get older and have more responsibilities and their bodies do not recover the way they did when they were 18.

As zokissima stated.

I know alot of people who just take small amounts of E (not enough to get really high or nothing) just so they can stay awake and have the energy to keep dancing.

In my opinion, I dont see anything wrong with that.

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Originally posted by Swamper the perceived pattern of normalcy begins

another good point...

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Originally posted by lopi When one parties w/o pumping the junk into their veins, you come out and truly apreciate your experience, u remember things so much more clearly, the night, the music, the people...and at the end of the day, its the memories we keep that are really what matters. why waste it away?

I find quite the contrary, I find that the proper mix of substance will make the night more vivid to me, better, more exciting, more fun, and the memories tend to be more cherished. That said, if you overendulge (as I did at US9) and find yourself missing big blocks of memory from the night then clearly you've detracted from the experience. As the old Molson Ex commercials said "it's all about balance."

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

google answers all...found out what it is and those people who do it are insane and need help right away. its just stupid in my books.

getting back to the point, i've taken a drug when i went to one of the events and ya it made the night better. i was still there for the dj or djs no matter what. i'll take the minimum for me to have a good time with e (1 pill maximum) and alcohol (until i start feeling the buzz where i'm under control).

and i agree that the bigger name dj's should be playing as late. but what can you do when there is 4 big name dj's that don't want to play before 12 (midnight) and want to do a 2 hour set minimum?
when i heard that buuren was only coming on at 4 at decadence, i was bummed out cause i wanted to hear him come on earlier but i also wanted oakie to play a good set too.

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