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Tony Morello
The Renegade Master

Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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May-20-2006 04:38
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JohnPaullino
Techno Ninja

Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Miami, Florida
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the denon dn-s3500 thread
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Nope, in the digital world there is always some sort of "step". They should just stop publishing it as a spec though, as it doesn't make a difference!
Most everyone I know who mixes on both CDJ's and 1200's (including myself) will tell you that mixing vinyl is an order of magnitude more difficult than mixing on CDJ's. |
I think different, mixing with vinyl is more accurate. Here is the evidence.. BUTT it doesn't make you a better dj or whatnot.
Speed Stability is specified as Wow and Flutter. Wow being slow variations in speed and Flutter being fast variations. The measurement is in % and is an average or weighted value. Good numbers for a belt drive design are less than 0.1% and for a direct drive 0.05%. Inexpensive direct drive systems are more apt to have higher flutter. This can be audible as a shimmering to the sound, most noticeable in piano recordings. A good additional measurement for direct drive systems is a peak wow and flutter measurement. This can reveal the sonically audible variations that don't show in the average measurement. Hi Peak Flutter levels cause a smearing of hi frequency detail.
Only one table that I know of specifies this measurement.
The amount is 0.005% peak W & F and the company is Technics, the model is the SL-1200 MKII.
Thanks to new digital technology Serato Scratch has been able to make this possible.
The Facts
The Second Edition Scratch LIVE vinyl (CV02) is diferent
from the first edition (CV01) in two ways. Firstly, the record was
mastered on much better equipment than the original, and does
not suffer from any noticeable pitch variation (0.0026% max).
Secondly, the absolute positioning signal used in CV02 di?ers
from CV01 enabling the software to distinguish which version of
the vinyl is being used, and even which side is playing.
The second edition is obvious from the red band on the upper
right corner of the sleeve. The label on the vinyl, besides being
marked CV02, has large A and B markings to easily tell between
the 10:00 and 15:00 sides. Scratch LIVE software version 1.2 and
higher is required to use the second edition vinyl.
Last edited by JohnPaullino on May-27-2006 at 17:32
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May-27-2006 17:27
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Andrømeda
Suspended User

Registered: May 2006
Location: Miami
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May-29-2006 06:32
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Ryan0751
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: May 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the denon dn-s3500 thread
How does that make it easier? There is NO wow and flutter on CDJ's.
"Set it and forget it"
When I mix with my 1200's you have to be ready to ride the pitch at all times. There are many other factors which can affect your beatmatching on TT's then with CDJ's. Wind, vibration, skips, crappy tables, worn out pitch sliders, acts of god...
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnPaullino
I think different, mixing with vinyl is more accurate. Here is the evidence.. BUTT it doesn't make you a better dj or whatnot.
Speed Stability is specified as Wow and Flutter. Wow being slow variations in speed and Flutter being fast variations. The measurement is in % and is an average or weighted value. Good numbers for a belt drive design are less than 0.1% and for a direct drive 0.05%. Inexpensive direct drive systems are more apt to have higher flutter. This can be audible as a shimmering to the sound, most noticeable in piano recordings. A good additional measurement for direct drive systems is a peak wow and flutter measurement. This can reveal the sonically audible variations that don't show in the average measurement. Hi Peak Flutter levels cause a smearing of hi frequency detail.
Only one table that I know of specifies this measurement.
The amount is 0.005% peak W & F and the company is Technics, the model is the SL-1200 MKII.
Thanks to new digital technology Serato Scratch has been able to make this possible.
The Facts
The Second Edition Scratch LIVE vinyl (CV02) is diferent
from the first edition (CV01) in two ways. Firstly, the record was
mastered on much better equipment than the original, and does
not suffer from any noticeable pitch variation (0.0026% max).
Secondly, the absolute positioning signal used in CV02 di?ers
from CV01 enabling the software to distinguish which version of
the vinyl is being used, and even which side is playing.
The second edition is obvious from the red band on the upper
right corner of the sleeve. The label on the vinyl, besides being
marked CV02, has large A and B markings to easily tell between
the 10:00 and 15:00 sides. Scratch LIVE software version 1.2 and
higher is required to use the second edition vinyl. |
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May-30-2006 20:30
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Ryan0751
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: May 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the denon dn-s3500 thread
I have year old MK5's. They do hold their pitch just find, it's just the getting the pitch "that perfect" is sometimes a pain in the ass.
Not to mention that records tend to speed up a bit as the stylus gets to the center.
| quote: | Originally posted by serban
there must be something wrong with ur 1200s then... ur definetly not supposed to ride the pitch.... u just get it once and leave it.... at least that works for my 1200s.... and i got dns3500s as well and theyre pretty much the same as 1200s when it comes to pitch... just find it once and leave it.... its good for a min or so at least.... |
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May-30-2006 20:49
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