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Originally posted by DaveT But no one goes into a concert wanting to hear political propaganda. It's not about whether she has the right to speak her mind or not. It's about the right and wrong time to do it. People play to hear her music. They do not pay to hear some political speech. I forget which major artist it was, but one was doing a stint of several shows in Vegas a couple years ago and on his/her first night, he or she did something like this and 1/2 the audience walked out and were so upset the resort/venue cancelled the rest of the concert dates and gave everyone refunds.

But she does have a right to speak her mind, and she will use that right. As I said earlier, I believe an artist can say what he or she wants on stage as long as they perform the service the consumer pays them for, which is to play music. Madonna played her music and she said what she wanted to say, which is fine by me.

The incident you brought up involves Linda Ronstadt, who dedicated a song at the end of her set to Michael Moore. Apparently she had been doing that at her previous Vegas gigs, but this one particular show caused a strong reaction. As she was singing, hundreds of fans left and some of them defaced posters promoting the show, which is childish in my opinion. And yeah, they cancelled the rest of her Vegas shows because of that.

I have found that the people who usually have a problem with this are the people who disagree with what an artist says on stage. A few years back Pearl Jam played a show in Denver where they played an anti-Bush song while Eddie Vedder put a Bush mask on a mic stand and sang to it. A few people in the crowd booed and chanted "fuck you, Eddie." Unfortunately it became a big story with claims that Eddie Vedder "impaled" a Bush mask (he didn't) and that most of the fans booed (it was only a small number of fans). I think it's unfortunate that people over-react whenever a celebrity opens his or her mouth to speak about politics because they feel celebrities aren't allowed to do that because that's not what they paid for.

Maybe I don't mind artists speaking politcally on stage because a few of the bands I listen to are very active politcally. I've seen Pearl Jam, Neil Young, and Rage Against the Machine in concert, and while I don't always agree with their politics, I understand that they have rights as citizens to say what they want. If any of those acts spent the majority of the show talking instead of playing music then I would've had a problem with it.

No one is saying she or anyone else doesn't have the right to do it. But whether it's the right thing to do is completely different.

TOOL's show was absolutly astounding. Two great ways to close out the nights. Daft Punk on day 1 and TOOL on day 2. The stage was typical tool, dark and not much focus on the band. In the background were the visuals that went along with the music. They were there to go along with the music, not distract from it.

The sound was pure and crisp, the night cooled off just enough and the song choice was a very good selection. I remember hearing Stinkfist, 46 & 2, The Pot, Lateralus, The Patient, Sober, Jambi, Schism, aenima, and Vicarious.


MMMM First TOOL show since 2002. What a way to kick it off.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

There's a long history of musicians and music doing the political thing. Probably for as long as there's been music, there's been people using ti to espuse their opinion. You're not goung to stop it now, and it's totally appropriate.

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Originally posted by Yookeroo There's a long history of musicians and music doing the political thing. Probably for as long as there's been music, there's been people using ti to espuse their opinion. You're not goung to stop it now, and it's totally appropriate.

Nobody wants to stop it, but personally I could care less what Madonna or Neil Young (a Canadian btw) cares about the President. Nor do I care what my dentist or plumber think either. I don't go to a show to hear an musical artist pontificate about politics or religion. I go to get away and get lost in the music. If Madonna or any artist bills the evening as "music and opinion" than that is totally different. I’ll go in knowing what to expect. But just lobbing bombs during a music set is not what I pay to go see. The result is in the future I'll avoid that artist's live performances. Additionally, it is very cowardly to make inflammatory comments in an environment such as that without open discourse.

The comment was crude, foolish and not very tolerant. Why not celebrate the diversity of opinions Madonna?

Btw I see that if you want to see the "ideal" driven Pearl Jam on their latest tour you have to purchase tickets through Ticketmaster.

Every notice that "artists" that become "political" have usually lost their relevance?

Be independent and think for yourself.

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Originally posted by CND Nobody wants to stop it, but personally I could care less what Madonna or Neil Young (a Canadian btw) cares about the President. Nor do I care what my dentist or plumber think either. I don't go to a show to hear an musical artist pontificate about politics or religion. I go to get away and get lost in the music. If Madonna or any artist bills the evening as "music and opinion" than that is totally different. I’ll go in knowing what to expect. But just lobbing bombs during a music set is not what I pay to go see. The result is in the future I'll avoid that artist's live performances. Additionally, it is very cowardly to make inflammatory comments in an environment such as that without open discourse. The comment was crude, foolish and not very tolerant. Why not celebrate the diversity of opinions Madonna? Btw I see that if you want to see the "ideal" driven Pearl Jam on their latest tour you have to purchase tickets through Ticketmaster. Every notice that "artists" that become "political" have usually lost their relevance? Be independent and think for yourself.

First of all, unless you are 40 years old or older, Neil Young has been living in and paying taxes in the United States longer than you have. He might be Canadian by birth but he is holds dual citizenship in the United States. The governor of your state is Austrian (also a dual citizen), yet you knock on Neil Young for being Canadian.

Did Madonna not perform the music she was scheduled to play and that people paid for?

As for Pearl Jam, if there was a way around using Ticketmaster they would try it, believe me. They were called in to testify in 1995 during the investigation of Ticketmaster's monopolization on the concert industry. Ticketmaster won, although Pearl Jam did win a small battle because Ticketmaster is now required to say how much of the concert ticket price is considered "service fees" whereas before they didn't have to. Pearl Jam tried touring exclusively at non-Ticketmaster venues but there weren't any suitable venues in the big cities where there are lots of fans. They don't even worry about Ticketmaster anymore because it is a lost cause. It's no use alienating their fans by trying to fight Ticketmaster. It's a shame because Ticketmaster and Clear Channel have pretty much eliminated any competition in the concert industry.

And these artists mentioned haven't become political overnight, they have always been political. And they are still relevant because people are still talking about them.

this was my fourth coachella in a row and i'm already looking forward to next year. this is always the most fun event that i attend all year and signals the start of summer. i love how laid back and relaxed the crowd is. great vibes. also the desert is beautiful. and of course the music is awesome. daft punk blew my mind!!!!!!!!!!!

and how come i didn't bump into any TAs? where were you all? chillin in the VIP drinking fancy fuckin champagne? haha

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Originally posted by flavdave Did Madonna not perform the music she was scheduled to play and that people paid for?

Actually...no....no she didn't.










She showed up hella late and her performance was much shorter than it was supposed to be.

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Originally posted by DaveT Actually...no....no she didn't. She showed up hella late and her performance was much shorter than it was supposed to be.

Well then that's a problem, but it has nothing to do with her political statement, which was in one of her songs from what I understand.

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Originally posted by flavdave First of all, unless you are 40 years old or older, Neil Young has been living in and paying taxes in the United States longer than you have. He might be Canadian by birth but he is holds dual citizenship in the United States. The governor of your state is Austrian (also a dual citizen), yet you knock on Neil Young for being Canadian. Did Madonna not perform the music she was scheduled to play and that people paid for? As for Pearl Jam, if there was a way around using Ticketmaster they would try it, believe me. They were called in to testify in 1995 during the investigation of Ticketmaster's monopolization on the concert industry. Ticketmaster won, although Pearl Jam did win a small battle because Ticketmaster is now required to say how much of the concert ticket price is considered "service fees" whereas before they didn't have to. Pearl Jam tried touring exclusively at non-Ticketmaster venues but there weren't any suitable venues in the big cities where there are lots of fans. They don't even worry about Ticketmaster anymore because it is a lost cause. It's no use alienating their fans by trying to fight Ticketmaster. It's a shame because Ticketmaster and Clear Channel have pretty much eliminated any competition in the concert industry. And these artists mentioned haven't become political overnight, they have always been political. And they are still relevant because people are still talking about them.

What is your point? People talk about Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson too.

I did not knock Neil Young because he is Canadian by birth. Who really cares about Neil Young's opinions anyway besides Neil Young? It's a non-issue. Those interested in hearing Neil Young’s opinions can go purchase the cd he just released for sale and marketed on the topic. If that’s what you want to spend your money on that’s great for you.

Maybe I should go ask Queen or REO Speedwagon about the immigration issue? What’s Journey’s opinion about the Iran nuclear issue?

My post was an attempt to illustrate the absurdity of the issue.

What I was trying to get across in my rant is I don't appreciate being preached to at a music event. I am not there for spiritual enlightenment. I am there for the music. And anything that takes away from the experience (such as quasi political rants) comes across to me as vain, presumptuous and unprofessional on the entertainer’s part.

Btw I did attended a Pearl Jam non-ticketmaster concert at the then San Diego Sports Arena years ago. It was a disaster. You had to purchase tickets over the phone. Then the show was canceled the day of the show. Then once the show was rescheduled it was open seating and people were spread out all over the venue so it was impossible to get two seats together. After that experience spending the extra $ on the service charge (when appropriate) did not seem so bad.

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