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Originally posted by whiskers my random rant: It's 4 am and I was just thinking, the culture has become so institutionalized, all we can ever do is talk about how we are outraged with our government. Things like the American Revolution, patriotism, etc. are forgotten, they're in the past. Revolutions can't happen today in America, there's nobody who would give up everything they have... Who's gonna take it to the streets, the beer-guzzling men who spend most of their free time watching futbol and baseball instead of actually doing some physical activity? Family Guy and American Idol drones who've been so brainwashed by TV, they think Stephen Colbert is a republican? Who will risk losing their peaceful lifestyle, their moderate-paying job, etc.? Chuck Palahniuk was right, It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Even the John Stewart worshipping liberal and libertarian college students may rant about how they hate the administration while they're feeling safe and secure, their tuition being paid by their parents... but all those words are empty if they don't actually lead to any action. Face it, when you need to come up with several thousand dollars to pay for rent / food / tuition / gas, political change and revolution fade out of your mind. I may be wrong, but i think that the only politically active people who are insane enough to actually do something are those crazy liberal hippies that strip naked for greenpeace rallies. The rest of the crowd shrugs news like breach of Constitution off and goes on with their lives; the more politically inclined simply rant in their blogs about it. It's the radical groups that have enough crazy people that they can bring change. This government has become something of its own, a beast that functions while disregarding feedback from the community that it's supposed to serve. What happened to the government of the people, by the people, for the people? When did the giant corporations take over? When did money become more potent than rational thought? How did we become the United States of Walmart, what happened to personal responsibility and why do we preach one fo the most idiotic concepts in the world - political correctness - while subjecting thousands of people every day to unfair racial profiling and racism? We have become sheep, the society is soulless. Everything is money, money, money, power. I wanted to say the culture has degraded, but that's not true - there IS no culture. Our so-called culture is watching the latest reality show on TV, watching people at each other's throats for money (seriously what example does such shows set for our kids?), shopping, making unbelievably mindnumbing sequels to and remakes of movies, doing more shopping because we are bombarded by ads reminding us to do shopping so that we don't become coldhearted un-Americans if we don't buy gifts for our loved ones when the companies say we should give them gifts... That's as cohesive as my thoughts get at 4am, so please excuse me if my 2 cents are not in mint condition.

Wow that's pretty much what I was thinking minus the last paragraph.

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Originally posted by whiskers my random rant: It's 4 am and I was just thinking, the culture has become so institutionalized, all we can ever do is talk about how we are outraged with our government. Things like the American Revolution, patriotism, etc. are forgotten, they're in the past. Revolutions can't happen today in America, there's nobody who would give up everything they have... Who's gonna take it to the streets, the beer-guzzling men who spend most of their free time watching futbol and baseball instead of actually doing some physical activity? Family Guy and American Idol drones who've been so brainwashed by TV, they think Stephen Colbert is a republican? Who will risk losing their peaceful lifestyle, their moderate-paying job, etc.? Chuck Palahniuk was right, It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Even the John Stewart worshipping liberal and libertarian college students may rant about how they hate the administration while they're feeling safe and secure, their tuition being paid by their parents... but all those words are empty if they don't actually lead to any action. Face it, when you need to come up with several thousand dollars to pay for rent / food / tuition / gas, political change and revolution fade out of your mind. I may be wrong, but i think that the only politically active people who are insane enough to actually do something are those crazy liberal hippies that strip naked for greenpeace rallies. The rest of the crowd shrugs news like breach of Constitution off and goes on with their lives; the more politically inclined simply rant in their blogs about it. It's the radical groups that have enough crazy people that they can bring change. This government has become something of its own, a beast that functions while disregarding feedback from the community that it's supposed to serve. What happened to the government of the people, by the people, for the people? When did the giant corporations take over? When did money become more potent than rational thought? How did we become the United States of Walmart, what happened to personal responsibility and why do we preach one fo the most idiotic concepts in the world - political correctness - while subjecting thousands of people every day to unfair racial profiling and racism? We have become sheep, the society is soulless. Everything is money, money, money, power. I wanted to say the culture has degraded, but that's not true - there IS no culture. Our so-called culture is watching the latest reality show on TV, watching people at each other's throats for money (seriously what example does such shows set for our kids?), shopping, making unbelievably mindnumbing sequels to and remakes of movies, doing more shopping because we are bombarded by ads reminding us to do shopping so that we don't become coldhearted un-Americans if we don't buy gifts for our loved ones when the companies say we should give them gifts... That's as cohesive as my thoughts get at 4am, so please excuse me if my 2 cents are not in mint condition.

maybe that is a reflection of what you've experienced. at the risk of sounding harsh, i think i just read someone's writings on a small and clouded window to the world...and i almost fell for it out of pity.
however, i know better. i know there are millions of Americans that give there right arms daily to anything from politics to orphans, to
farming to race car driving. sane, caring, passionate people that don't ask anything from anybody that they wouldn't give themselves.

Revolution? i think that word is passe' in a country like ours. it has no real meaning because our "culture", or what you think is a lack thereof, has made it meaningless. we fight. for what ever reason we do, we do it so well it satisfies our urge to revolt.

...and for all you knee-jerking hysterical women out there championing Qwest.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I have not used personal attacks aganist you OC? Why have you stooped to doing it? I stopped reading your post at "dumb-ass". So if this is to be a thread of profanity, I'm not going to debate you anymore about this issue. Instead, I will just return your verbal offerings, with one of my own; FUCK YOU!! Have a nice day, dumb-ass.

I'm civil to those who extend me the same courtesy. When you first came here I gave you the benefit of the doubt, however, it quickly became quite clear, after a few arguments, that you were perfectly willing to stoop to ad hominems and the like. As such, I didn't see the need to extend you any such courtesy. So pardon my surprise that you're offended by our current situation. However, I shall refrain from ad hominems in future posts so long as it's mutual.

As for not responding to my arguments, well that's your perogative.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i agree to an extent, but you shouldn't be afraid. either give credit for whats been done, or no credit at all. let history decide like you've done with FDR.

History is the ultimate decider on the issue. That doesn't mean that we don't have room to critisize or support with what facts we have on hand ... I don't know about you, but I felt that in the 90's my criticisms of Clinton were fully justifiable without feeling the necessity to wait 20 years to see what a historian had to say.

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Originally posted by Q5echo maybe that is a reflection of what you've experienced. at the risk of sounding harsh, i think i just read someone's writings on a small and clouded window to the world...and i almost fell for it out of pity. however, i know better. i know there are millions of Americans that give there right arms daily to anything from politics to orphans, to farming to race car driving. sane, caring, passionate people that don't ask anything from anybody that they wouldn't give themselves. Revolution? i think that word is passe' in a country like ours. it has no real meaning because our "culture", or what you think is a lack thereof, has made it meaningless. we fight. for what ever reason we do, we do it so well it satisfies our urge to revolt.

so i see


baaaahhh.

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Who cares? Not like they listening to everyones conversations each and everyday. That, my friends, would be IMPOSSIBLE...unless of course you had roughly 4 million people working for you.

And didnt Clinton make something like this a law? LOL
Now you all want to blame Bush? Hypocrites.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Who cares? Not like they listening to everyones conversations each and everyday. That, my friends, would be IMPOSSIBLE...unless of course you had roughly 4 million people working for you.

According to you then the government's actions don't violate american's fourth amendment rights?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 And didnt Clinton make something like this a law? LOL Now you all want to blame Bush? Hypocrites.

Are you arguing that the commission of an act that may be arguably illegal by one administration makes the commission of the same act by another administration somehow legal?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange According to you then the government's actions don't violate american's fourth amendment rights?

They arent spying on everyone...and if it helps find the bad boys i am all for it.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange Are you arguing that the commission of an act that may be arguably illegal by one administration makes the commission of the same act by another administration somehow legal?

no jsut that no one said shit when Clinton made the law...only when Bush enforces it...i find that funny.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What makes you guys so sure they haven't been doing this for decades already?

Your talking about ECHELON, which has been up and running for about 45yrs now and was well known to be sucking-up every e-mail, fax, telex, and telephone communications carried over the world's telecommunications networks. But its main use was for business after the cold war faded away, the EU did a investigation to findout how much data the system was targeting.
The system was using a keyword style of snooping, for a very indepth report read the book
"The Puzzle Palace: A Report on America's Most Secret Agency, by James Bamford.
He talks about 20acres of mainframe systems.....

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Originally posted by donnybrasco It's absurd and idioctic to worry about things which like this "prying" in to your "privacy". The government can barely keep up with what the terorists are doing. Do you really think they care what you're doing, no matter how weird or perverted it is?

So I see you have a short memory-(January 17, 2006) The FBI was flooded with false reports coming from the N.S.A.'s intelligence - "We'd chase a number, find it's a school teacher with no indication they've ever been involved in international terrorism - case closed," said one former FBI official, who was aware of the program and the data it generated for the bureau. "After you get a thousand numbers and not one is turning up anything, you get some frustration."

So tell that to the thousands of people who did nothing wrong and yet were targeted as potential terrorists.

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Originally posted Kapedan they dont listen to all of them, just ones that might suspect for terrorism. I mean, if we want a safer, then we have to make some changes that might prevent future terrorist actions.

Your wrong , the ATT "daytona database" has every phone for the last 30yrs, thus anybody who used ATT has a log of when/where/who/how long you called.
http://www.research.att.com/viewProject.cfm?prjID=69
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1378353,00.asp

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Originally posted tiesto14 Who cares? Not like they listening to everyones conversations each and everyday. That, my friends, would be IMPOSSIBLE...unless of course you had roughly 4 million people working for you.

See the above post, its very easy to do this type of logging.Do yourself a favor and do a google before you talk pure shit and prove you have no idea what your talking about.
Try here for starters
http://www.schneier.com/index.html

and to get a idea how much data can be processed try here
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/8/14724/28476/

hint-"How powerful is this? OC-192 carries about 10 gigabits of data per second. Ten billion bits per second, monitored in real-time"

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Originally posted by Dale Gribble See the above post, its very easy to do this type of logging.Do yourself a favor and do a google before you talk pure shit and prove you have no idea what your talking about. Try here for starters http://www.schneier.com/index.html

stfu n00b....i said it would impossible to listen in on EVERYONE'S phone calls (which would be in the billions per day)...look at what i write before u jump down my throat!

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