the polls are real... i voted on one of the cnn polls, it was all over the net because they got more votes most polls... emails to cnn as well. They had 3 shows about the 911 coverup and had another one scheduled but powers to be cut that out. then the show got moved back in time slot for some reason. and i am a republican lepanto. and tiesto why so much hate. it doesnt do anyone any good

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z ^^^ Thanks for posting that stevieboy32808. @ Shakka: Now go eat your mf'n words bitch. EDIT: And @ donnybrasco, nothing personal, but STFU already.

not sure why this brings out the in these guys...

Are you guys aware that the Pentagon is the most secure building in the world? There are cameras that videotape every single inch of that building, and those pathetic video "images" - not the video itself, appearing intentionally downgraded in quality. This footage is actually edited from the one that leaked out souple years ago, in which on the right center edge of the camera behind the post you can see the smoke trail of a missile-like object. Airplanes do not make "trails" at such low altitudes. Also, why did federal agents confiscate ALL video footage from businesses around Pentagon, especially the gas station across Pentagon that had the BEST view of the ALLEGED plane hitting the Pentagon straight on? Where's that footage??? Obviously, no plane hit the Pentagon, its all a lie.

Is it a coincidence that the part of the Pentagon that was his was under construction - and it was the most fortified section of the building? The plane allegedly made a 360 degree turn around the building, aiming for that section of the building. Original course of the plane should have led it crash into Rumsfeld's office (which was on the other side of the building). Also, the impact area was too small to match a Boeing 747. "Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a jetliner over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon?" see below link

Also, see video footage of the Pentagon attack minutes after the attack. Building wall was still intact!!! See PENTAGON PHOTOS section on the main page of http://www.911inplanesite.com/ . In DVD, you can see it even clearer when its zoomed in. The wall of the building collapsed only about 1 hour later (look at the photo of the wall collapse - why is the roof collapsed inwards - shouldn't the plane have pierced it??). You dont see any plane parts, not luggage, wings, bodies, etc.

Someone mentioned here that they found the engine of the 747. LIE! Engine of 747 is MUCH BIGGER than that small piece of crap on the seen of the crash. There was something the size of a pickup truck that federal agents concealed under a blue tarp on the track pulling away fro the site some time after the alleged attack. Even that is too small to be the bodyframe of 747. There was some small fragments of what appeared to be a drone missile craft, light small pieces of shiny metal. Isn't the crash site supposed to be a crime scene? Yes. Then why do you see some people in a round circle combing through the grass around the site MINUTES after the crash?

You guys need to see some video evidence, that CNN, ABC and whatever the other agencies got on camera that day. The evidence is on them. I bought 2 great DVD that provide great video evidence of what the US government hides from you, most of it was taken by these CNN and other agencies!. See:

http://www.911inplanesite.com/


Another great DVD, outlining everything on that day:

http://www.reopen911.org/

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I don't know why I'm entertaining this, but here goes. I think it's the fact that you're wearing a Braves jersey yet you're in Russia. I'm sure you're a huge fan. Yay Amerika!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Are you guys aware that the Pentagon is the most secure building in the world?

Ah, so you've been there, eh? I have. Maybe the most secure building insofar as gaining admittance through the front door (though they do give tours), but from outside, you're delusional. It's not like there is a force-field surrounding it. Restricted airspace is restricted airspace, and in that regard, the White House is equally if not more secure. Regardless, your claim is baseless anyway. What about Fort Knox? Langley? In the end, I don't think your saying this has any bearing on the question at hand.

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There are cameras that videotape every single inch of that building, and those pathetic video "images" - not the video itself, appearing intentionally downgraded in quality.

I'm sure there are literally dozens of cameras. But as stated in this thread or one of many priors, it's highly unlikely that all cameras are focused on the same area (let alone at the same time). That would be incredibly dumb use of all of your cameras. So given a plane travelling ~500mph, any camera that films in intervals is not likely to catch much of the incident, regardless of where it is aimed and how it is filming. This is a fun bit for conspiracy theorists to hold on to. You watch too much TV--you believe that at any place, at any time, there must be a video camera within a stone's throw that somehow caught some magic footage of something happening that disproves all other overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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This footage is actually edited from the one that leaked out souple years ago, in which on the right center edge of the camera behind the post you can see the smoke trail of a missile-like object.

I'm just sick of this "missile" theory. Are you prepared to go knock on the front doors of the families of all of the people that were on the flight that hit the Pentagon? I'm sure their families would love to get in touch with them since their plane (and the plane tracking software that shows the flight's path at takeoff and at impact)? The black boxes were found. I have a relative that was IN the Pentagon when it was hit. He saw one of the landing gear modules on the lawn of the building. Do missiles have landing gear? Or do you believe the plane was really diverted to a government research facility? As of right now, it was a plane. Deal with it.

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Airplanes do not make "trails" at such low altitudes.

I'm confused. What trail are you talking about? Where did you see a smoke "trail"? I thought what we purportedly saw was the nose of the airplane. The reason it's probably blurry is that the camera's shutter speed simply couldn't capture a crisp picture of a plane travelling 500mph. Shit, have you ever tried to take a still picture of a car travelling 50mph? It's pretty streaky unless you're using a really fast shutter speed setting. Now multiply that by 10. It's not like they have 30fps Sony Handicams set up all over the place. The film media demand/usage would simply be too great. If you've ever worked anywhere where you have seen video logs, you'll know what I'm talking about.

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Also, why did federal agents confiscate ALL video footage from businesses around Pentagon, especially the gas station across Pentagon that had the BEST view of the ALLEGED plane hitting the Pentagon straight on? Where's that footage??? Obviously, no plane hit the Pentagon, its all a lie.

I dunno dude, but if this is the only real meat to your argument, I think you're a bit hasty to jump to the "obvious" conclusion. It's a pretty thin argument to say that because a purported camera with purported perfect footage(why is it that everyone should choose to point their security cameras at the East lawn of the Pentagon?) doesn't exist, then everything must be a lie. Just because a vantage point exists, doesn't mean a camera there will always be filming (if ever) that vantage point.

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Is it a coincidence that the part of the Pentagon that was his was under construction - and it was the most fortified section of the building?

Why yes, it is.

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The plane allegedly made a 360 degree turn around the building, aiming for that section of the building. Original course of the plane should have led it crash into Rumsfeld's office (which was on the other side of the building).

Allegedly? Where did you read this? Maybe the pilot made that very broad circle around the building so that he could take the plane in low and fast. The Pentagon is big, but it's not a skyscraper. Furthermore, why on earth would they aim at Rumsfeld's office? According to the conspiracy theorists he's one of the most complicit players in this whole charade.

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Also, the impact area was too small to match a Boeing 747. "Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a jetliner over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon?" see below link

You're right! It was a Boeint 757, which is a much smaller, much narrower bodied plane. I get the feeling you don't fly much.

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Also, see video footage of the Pentagon attack minutes after the attack. Building wall was still intact!!! See PENTAGON PHOTOS section on the main page of http://www.911inplanesite.com/ . In DVD, you can see it even clearer when its zoomed in. The wall of the building collapsed only about 1 hour later (look at the photo of the wall collapse - why is the roof collapsed inwards - shouldn't the plane have pierced it??). You dont see any plane parts, not luggage, wings, bodies, etc.

Well, you just said it was the most newly renovated part of the building. I believe you said "most fortified". I guess it fared better than you would've expected. The actual cabin is <20' across (if memory serves, a 757 has 5 seats across in coach and is very tight). Furthremore, most of the cabin is hollow. Most of the mass, bulk, and weight is in the lower hemisphere of the body of the plane.

FYI: A 747 is 231' long, 211' wide (wingtip to wingtip), the body is about 25'-30' wide (something like 11 seats across in coach), and 63' tall vs. a 757 at 155' long, 124' wide (wingtip to wingtip), the body is about 15'-20' wide (5-6 seats across in coach), and 44' tall. It's probably safe to say that a 757 is a wee bit more nimble than a 747, though still certainly a jumbo jet. But there is a major difference.

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Someone mentioned here that they found the engine of the 747. LIE! Engine of 747 is MUCH BIGGER than that small piece of crap on the seen of the crash. There was something the size of a pickup truck that federal agents concealed under a blue tarp on the track pulling away fro the site some time after the alleged attack. Even that is too small to be the bodyframe of 747.

LIES I DECLARE!!!

Read this article that Juzfugen posted earlier:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages...e_evidence.html

Here are some of the good pictures:







Give it a read.

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There was some small fragments of what appeared to be a drone missile craft, light small pieces of shiny metal.

huh?

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Isn't the crash site supposed to be a crime scene? Yes. Then why do you see some people in a round circle combing through the grass around the site MINUTES after the crash?

Gosh, I don't know Einstein. Maybe they go there before the police could rope off a crime scene and regain a sense of order.

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You guys need to see some video evidence, that CNN, ABC and whatever the other agencies got on camera that day. The evidence is on them. I bought 2 great DVD that provide great video evidence of what the US government hides from you, most of it was taken by these CNN and other agencies!. See: http://www.911inplanesite.com/ Another great DVD, outlining everything on that day: http://www.reopen911.org/

You've been had.

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Originally posted by Shakka You've been had.

true.

asymetrical scepticism. it's a fever...and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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Originally posted by Shakka I don't know why I'm entertaining this, but here goes. I think it's the fact that you're wearing a Braves jersey yet you're in Russia. I'm sure you're a huge fan. Yay Amerika!

First of all, I dont hate America, I hate their government. So I cant like baseball? And no, I am not in Russia at the moment. I am Russian, I live in Canada. I have a bunch of American friends who agree with me on September 11. I am not as ignorant as you are.

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Ah, so you've been there, eh? I have. Maybe the most secure building insofar as gaining admittance through the front door (though they do give tours), but from outside, you're delusional. It's not like there is a force-field surrounding it. Restricted airspace is restricted airspace, and in that regard, the White House is equally if not more secure. Regardless, your claim is baseless anyway. What about Fort Knox? Langley? In the end, I don't think your saying this has any bearing on the question at hand.

Haha ... my dad's good friend is a businessman who was in the North Tower. I talked to him, and he described that he heard "several explosions" on his way down, and he swears they were "explosions" from a bomb. He also mentioned the lobby of the building "bombed out" before he left - he small a small crater in one of the support columns that could have only been done with explosives. He NEVER saw any fuel or smelled any fuel. He is confident the government story is bullshit. Restricted airspace doesn't mean the guard cannot be let down.

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I'm sure there are literally dozens of cameras. But as stated in this thread or one of many priors, it's highly unlikely that all cameras are focused on the same area (let alone at the same time). That would be incredibly dumb use of all of your cameras. So given a plane travelling ~500mph, any camera that films in intervals is not likely to catch much of the incident, regardless of where it is aimed and how it is filming. This is a fun bit for conspiracy theorists to hold on to. You watch too much TV--you believe that at any place, at any time, there must be a video camera within a stone's throw that somehow caught some magic footage of something happening that disproves all other overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

WHy are you heading away from my point? I SAID THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER CAMERAS which were confiscate and never released that have better angles of the alleged Pentagon crash - where's the confiscated footages from the hotel, gas station across the Pentagon that had better view of the attack? If thats their best evidence, which is a lie, then I guess I can walk up to the building and place explosives near it without any good camera evidence to prosecute me. As I said before, there are 400 or something like that cameras that FILN EVERY SINGLE of the Pentagon. Why is the video appearing so badly downgraded?

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I'm just sick of this "missile" theory. Are you prepared to go knock on the front doors of the families of all of the people that were on the flight that hit the Pentagon? I'm sure their families would love to get in touch with them since their plane (and the plane tracking software that shows the flight's path at takeoff and at impact)? The black boxes were found. I have a relative that was IN the Pentagon when it was hit. He saw one of the landing gear modules on the lawn of the building. Do missiles have landing gear? Or do you believe the plane was really diverted to a government research facility? As of right now, it was a plane. Deal with it.

Yet again, you are just blabbing about something. Your opinion. Oh, its an ADVANCED missile, A DRONE MISSLE CRAFT that US government has in posession. That image with small pieces of debris on the grass even prove my theory more. Boeing 747's body's is much thicker than those "paper-like" thin rubble. Where's the tail? Where's the bodies, large plane parts? If the plane has in fact disintegrated completely, then how did they manage to identify bodies of 184 of 189 people whose lives were taken in those planes that day? Why is the outer support column still intact and where's the whol that thee alleged plane went in to? Where's the hole?

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I'm confused. What trail are you talking about? Where did you see a smoke "trail"? I thought what we purportedly saw was the nose of the airplane. The reason it's probably blurry is that the camera's shutter speed simply couldn't capture a crisp picture of a plane travelling 500mph. Shit, have you ever tried to take a still picture of a car travelling 50mph? It's pretty streaky unless you're using a really fast shutter speed setting. Now multiply that by 10. It's not like they have 30fps Sony Handicams set up all over the place. The film media demand/usage would simply be too great. If you've ever worked anywhere where you have seen video logs, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Why dont they release that VIDEO for analysis, not just the 3 or so video IMAGES???? If they have nothing to hide, why are they not cooperating with us?

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I dunno dude, but if this is the only real meat to your argument, I think you're a bit hasty to jump to the "obvious" conclusion. It's a pretty thin argument to say that because a purported camera with purported perfect footage(why is it that everyone should choose to point their security cameras at the East lawn of the Pentagon?) doesn't exist, then everything must be a lie. Just because a vantage point exists, doesn't mean a camera there will always be filming (if ever) that vantage point.

Thats just your opinion. One thing for sure is that you dont see any plane in the pictures. Until they release unbiased video evidence of the attack on Pentagon, I will not believe it. I can imagine right now the US government is working hard on producing the fabricated video evidence of that Pentagon crash and will release it in due time. If that will happen, then why couldn't they release it earlier?

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Allegedly? Where did you read this? Maybe the pilot made that very broad circle around the building so that he could take the plane in low and fast. The Pentagon is big, but it's not a skyscraper. Furthermore, why on earth would they aim at Rumsfeld's office? According to the conspiracy theorists he's one of the most complicit players in this whole charade.

Have you ever been in a cockpit? Its not like being in the front seat of a car - you CANNOT see down without assistance from traffic control. You expect box-cutters yielding, badly trained terrorists to seize cockpit from PROFESSIONAL EX-MILITARY pilots and then fly it with perfect precision into targets? Thats bullshit. How do you also explain that some terrorists that allegedly flew those planes in the targets were found to be alive and well after the attacks? AT LEAST 9 OF THEM were found alive. How do you explain that?

Anyhow, I dont want to reply to your other points, its a waste of time. If you want to belive that government was innocent completely of the attacks on 9/11, then its your right and you can believe whatever you want. There's simply no point in continuing to prove my point to you and vice versa, since I can see what you are trying to do. [/COLOR]

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Anyone here heard of Operation Northwoods? How do you explain that in the 1960s CIA offered this great plan to provoke USA into invading Cuba, using sabotage, attacks and other campaigns against its own people, as a pretext for invading Cuba, to gain public support for that campaign.

One of the main ideas was to involve hijacking a plane that is allegedly filled with FBI/CIA agents, replacing it in air with a fake empty plane and blowing it out of the air with radio transmitter to blame the attack on Cuba.

See the encylcopedia for this, to see the similarities to 9/11:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

There's my hard evidence that 9/11 has been ATTEMPTED TO BE DONE by your own FBI / CIA.

Now dfont tell me that this is all a lie and dont tell me that it was made up because Allen Dulles, the director of CIA at the time, was really bored and had nothing better to do!!! There's my evidence.

There's a great book about the conspiracies behind the Pearl Harbour attacks, but that's a different story and its less credible. But judging by all this above plans its easy to conclude that the government knew more than they're willing us to know.

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that shit is all made up and it's a lie because Allen Dulles was bored.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Anyhow, I dont want to reply to your other points, its a waste of time. If you want to belive that government was innocent completely of the attacks on 9/11, then its your right and you can believe whatever you want. There's simply no point in continuing to prove my point to you and vice versa, since I can see what you are trying to do. [/COLOR]

>edit< sorry. outa line. i'm mad today

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Anyone here heard of Operation Northwoods? How do you explain that in the 1960s CIA offered this great plan to provoke USA into invading Cuba, using sabotage, attacks and other campaigns against its own people, as a pretext for invading Cuba, to gain public support for that campaign. One of the main ideas was to involve hijacking a plane that is allegedly filled with FBI/CIA agents, replacing it in air with a fake empty plane and blowing it out of the air with radio transmitter to blame the attack on Cuba. See the encylcopedia for this, to see the similarities to 9/11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods There's my hard evidence that 9/11 has been ATTEMPTED TO BE DONE by your own FBI / CIA. Now dfont tell me that this is all a lie and dont tell me that it was made up because Allen Dulles, the director of CIA at the time, was really bored and had nothing better to do!!! There's my evidence. There's a great book about the conspiracies behind the Pearl Harbour attacks, but that's a different story and its less credible. But judging by all this above plans its easy to conclude that the government knew more than they're willing us to know.

An absence of evidence does not make a convincing case.

The amount of tin foil needed to wrap everyone's head must be astronomical.

Let's see...

• We didn't land on the moon.
  
• The Holocaust didn't happen.
  
• The Illuminati rule the world.
  
• Elvis is alive.
  
• UFOs landed at Roswell.
  
• The government was behind the Oklahoma City bombing.
  
• AIDS is a genetically engineered disease made by the US military.
  
• SARS is a man-made disease.
  
• Black helicopters are constantly flying over carrying secret agents of the New World Order.
  
• The face on Mars was put there by an alien civilization.
  
• JFK was killed by the government in conjunction with the mafia.
  
• Martin Luther King Jr. was killed by the FBI.
  
• Tupac Shakur is really alive.
  
• Andy Kaufman is really alive.
  
• The SIS killed princess Diana.
  
• The CIA allows drug traffickers to cell drugs to inner-city African-Americans.
  
• The number 666 is found hidden in every barcode.
  
• The government watches and records everything we do.
  
• The US government either blew up or allowed people to blow up the two World Trade Center buildings and the Pentagon.
  

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Originally posted by NeoPhono The amount of tin foil needed to wrap everyone's head must be astronomical. Let's see... We didn't land on the moon. The Holocaust didn't happen. The Illuminati rule the world. Elvis is alive. UFOs landed at Roswell. The government was behind the Oklahoma City bombing. AIDS is a genetically engineered disease made by the US military. SARS is a man-made disease. Black helicopters are constantly flying over carrying secret agents of the New World Order. The face on Mars was put there by an alien civilization. JFK was killed by the government in conjunction with the mafia. Martin Luther King Jr. was killed by the FBI. Tupac Shakur is really alive. Andy Kaufman is really alive. The SIS killed princess Diana. The CIA allows drug traffickers to cell drugs to inner-city African-Americans. The number 666 is found hidden in every barcode. The government watches and records everything we do. The US government either blew up or allowed people to blow up the two World Trade Center buildings and the Pentagon. Did I miss any? Do I know the real truth about everything now? Anyone have any good prices on bulk tin foil?

Oh yeah, a lot you have missed:

• Hidden code in the Bible has forseen 9/11
  
• No jews have been in WTC at the day of the disaster
  
• Hitler lives in Argentina
  
• Evolution is an anti-christian lie
  
• Jesus had children with Mary and they were the kings of France
  
• Nikola Tesla carried out the Philadelphia experiment
  
• Government is in contact with alien civilizations
  
• Supernatural beings and ghosts walk around
  
• Nostradamus has forseen Hitler
  
• Astrology is real
  
• Talking nicely to water makes it healthier to drink
  
• Free energy exists and is concealed by the government
  

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