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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ all that means is that you prefer action over inaction, which is fine. but action itself doesn't mean that it's "good" action (e.g. his daycare "solution" is a fucking joke, regardless of what you feel about the previous Liberal plan).

I agree about the daycare thing.. I hate it...

The solution to daycare is simple. If you cant afford to have kids... DON'T

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy This is also the same claim the Bush administration made of the American media before they created their own little alternate and false reality in which they now govern. It is also the same idea the Nazi party used to start their propeganda machine with the German people. There's one thing to understand with the media, is that it should be free. Allowing a government to control the information about it's policies and decisions ultimately leads to corruption, abuse of power, and misinformation being presented to the public. Being a politician is a tough job, but you have to be accountable for the choices you make, because you're entrusted to make them for all of the citizens. If you allow the politicians to choose who gets to relay the information about policy, you essentially choose what gets released to the public. Just look at Fox News, the beakon of informative, investigative, and unbiased opinion that it is as a prime example. I can live with a little bias, but what I can't live with is in the masses of people who only understand and believe what the government tells them to. Sorry jay, I think you're really on the wrong side of this issue.

The government is not comtrolling the media...

He is deciding who gets the scoop and who doesnt. The news still gets out. Some in the media are whining simply because they wont be the first to get the scoop which is important in the media business.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The government is not comtrolling the media... He is deciding who gets the scoop and who doesnt. The news still gets out. Some in the media are whining simply because they wont be the first to get the scoop which is important in the media business.

Dude, Fox News is getting the scoop in the United States right now. Harper could potentially just copy/paste the exact same scenario in Canada if he's allowed to choose which reporters are in his press room, obviously you can see that scenario playing out.

Choosing who is in the press room is choosing what gets reported...Obviously you're more likely to answer questions that point to the positive or potentially positive outcomes of your policy rather than justify the negative ones, and the reporters who ask the positive ended questions are the ones who will be given those press passes.

Besides, in a Democratic society, Government is suppost to be as transparent as possible, so controlling the timing of the release of that information to the selected few who share your belief system add just a little bit of opaqueness to the overall transparency of government.

Personally, I think that every good journalist is automatically anti-establishment. Working hard to find the flaws in policy makes for responsible government, and works for the benefit of all the citizens.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy Besides, in a Democratic society, Government is suppost to be as transparent as possible,

the liberals were SUCH a good example!

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Originally posted by Wyndham the liberals were SUCH a good example!

Hey, I'm not claiming that the liberals weren't corrupt. But what I am saying is that the press was hard on them when they did get caught and rightfully so. But you always have to afford the press the chance of holding the politicians accountable, and if Harper doesn't want to speak to anyone but his hand picked propeganda team then I think it shows a huge breakdown in communication with the public on the side of the government. Which is not a good thing.


This is why I can live with a little bias over an excommunicated public by the hands of a governing party.

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Sorry Jayx, but choosing who gets the scoop also means manipulating how the news will be reported. By attempting to dodge the press gallery, Harper is actually making his supposed bias problem worse. With nothing of substance to report on (because Harper won't talk to them) the liberal media outlets are forced to play the conspiracy theory, innuendo angle far more than if Harper had actually done the interview in the first place. Instead of scheduling interviews, Harpers press handlers are going to wind up spending their time denying every story based on rumour that comes out. Playing defence all the time will eventually erode the nation's confidence in his policies.

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Originally posted by nacarter Sorry Jayx, but choosing who gets the scoop also means manipulating how the news will be reported. By attempting to dodge the press gallery, Harper is actually making his supposed bias problem worse. With nothing of substance to report on (because Harper won't talk to them) the liberal media outlets are forced to play the conspiracy theory, innuendo angle far more than if Harper had actually done the interview in the first place. Instead of scheduling interviews, Harpers press handlers are going to wind up spending their time denying every story based on rumour that comes out. Playing defence all the time will eventually erode the nation's confidence in his policies.

You mean the media would only look dumber than it already does??
Go on!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The government is not comtrolling the media... He is deciding who gets the scoop and who doesnt. The news still gets out. Some in the media are whining simply because they wont be the first to get the scoop which is important in the media business.

followed by....
"Loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with toothbrush mustache and swastika armband - it creeps up insidiously ... step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone"

-Baron Lane, Lord Chief Justice of England

state run media

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You mean the media would only look dumber than it already does?? Go on!

that same Canadian media has made an international name producing some of the worlds best in the business....harper a trained propagandist and first time Canadian president has determined he will determine what becomes news, how news will be delivered, from what angle and to which audience and at what time....I would never vote him for Prime Minister, who made him Prime Minister of Information?

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 followed by.... "Loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with toothbrush mustache and swastika armband - it creeps up insidiously ... step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone" -Baron Lane, Lord Chief Justice of England state run media that same Canadian media has made an international name producing some of the worlds best in the business....harper a trained propagandist and first time Canadian president has determined he will determine what becomes news, how news will be delivered, from what angle and to which audience and at what time....I would never vote him for Prime Minister, who made him Prime Minister of Information?

The media has played a big hand in taking away our freedoms. Just look at how they twist every little event into a public frenzy. It is the media's over reaction that then causes public hysteria that then causes politicians to pass oppressive laws.

Im 100% for a free and responsible media. I think those who understand the media and politics also understand why harper is treating them the way he is. Canadian politics has been heavily biased to serve a left wing agenda and one has to look no further than the CBC in order to see this. Even the so called "conservative leaning" outlets are actually centre or slightly left of centre.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The media has played a big hand in taking away our freedoms. Just look at how they twist every little event into a public frenzy. It is the media's over reaction that then causes public hysteria that then causes politicians to pass oppressive laws. Im 100% for a free and responsible media. I think those who understand the media and politics also understand why harper is treating them the way he is. Canadian politics has been heavily biased to serve a left wing agenda and one has to look no further than the CBC in order to see this. Even the so called "conservative leaning" outlets are actually centre or slightly left of centre.

And where does the Canadian public sit on most issues Jay, centre, and slightly to the left of centre?

That's what I thought.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy And where does the Torontonian public sit on most issues Jay, centre, and slightly to the left of centre? That's what I thought.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill