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Originally posted by Psy-T yet you're still choosing a particular definition over another. hence bias.

If you choose to define a bias so, then everything in the universe is biased, and it becomes a meaningless word.

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Originally posted by Psy-T what observation leads you to believe art is not a material thing? you can see, feel, smell, and taste (to an extent ) a painting... you can hear, see (representations of), and feel music...

Art is not the material thing in itself, but rather how you interpret it. Without that interpretation, a painting is no different than any piece of fabric.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Which are essentially just another way of saying what I said. It's a state of mind that differs from the usual beta state (the normal state)

but not just any none-beta state, one of a particular selection.

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Originally posted by Aquarian They are not equally trance inducing to you. Other people can be entranced by modern trance, and even moreso than by the music you find entrancing. Thus, like I said, it's a subjective definition. You can't say something isn't trance because you don't find it entrancing. That's very short-shighted.

among all the techniques known to induce trance states, are there any embodied in modern trance music as they are in 'real' trance music?

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Originally posted by Aquarian If you choose to define a bias so, then everything in the universe is biased, and it becomes a meaningless word.

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Originally posted by Psy-T ...should the fact that objectiveness is impossible dissuade me from using that word?

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Originally posted by Psy-T among all the techniques known to induce trance states, are there any embodied in modern trance music as they are in 'real' trance music?

Apparently so, because it's trance-enducing to some people.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Art is not the material thing in itself, but rather how you interpret it. Without that interpretation, a painting is no different than any piece of fabric.

supposing that is the case, my definitions and arguments pretain to the material thing in itself, and not art.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Apparently so, because it's trance-enducing to some people.

i've read about, experienced, and heard iterations of 'real' trance inducing trances. not the case for modern trance.

also, supposing there are some, 'real' trance would achieves it's goal better statistically speaking, as it uses relevant methods.

unless you don't agree that rollercoasters are less trance inducing than say.. sleep.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Great, another one of these. 1) I do not "spit on" 95% of music here 2) How is that even relevant to my post or this thread? 3) If you actually looked at my sig you wouldn't need to ask (tip: click on the grey box).

Great. One more question, just to irritate you. Do you ever smile?

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Originally posted by Gauss Great. One more question, just to irritate you. Do you ever smile?

No, because the way we post in the internet really tells all about us, right? Right?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery No, because the way we post in the internet really tells all about us, right? Right?

to believe it says nothing at all is equally retarded.

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Originally posted by Psy-T to believe it says nothing at all is equally retarded.

I said that?

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