The problem with your "brandishing gun" idea is that not only can regular Americans get their hands on guns, so can the criminals.

Who is more likely to get hurt in that case? A joe-shmoe who has never shot a gun before, and is scared shitless, or the guy who is looking for his next fix?

Guns should be banned altogether. They are an awful invention.

Don't you think it is a little fucked up that as a society you are arming yourselves from your own kind? I mean... what the hell have we turned ourselves into?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Lock your doors?? Do you really think that the people worried about protection already don't do this? The main reason I responded was to ask what you mean by "use a gun?" Do you mean actually fire at someone, or do you mean brandish the weapon as a deterrant? If you click the first link I posted above, you'll learn that 95% of the time, just brandishing is enough of a deterrant and it's not necessary to shoot. Not by the time I'd started replying and got a few links. I wouldn't have needed to do anything if you either knew your own country's laws or didn't comment on the topic at all.

Just gonna hit the lexicon for 'brandishing'. Apperantly it means:
"svänga, svinga {särskilt vapen och ofta på ett hotfullt sätt} (verb; transitivt)".

which in turn means: "swing (especially guns and often in a threatfull way)"

So, yeah, brandishing would be considered 'using' imo. I do not define using in the term of cleaning maybe, but even that would be rare for most americans. Unless you count the army guys who just won't leave guns behind...

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Not by the time I'd started replying and got a few links. I wouldn't have needed to do anything if you either knew your own country's laws or didn't comment on the topic at all.

Well I am so sorry sir, I mistook another law for one that applied to guns. Since it really isn't a prominent topic of concern for myself, I am not all that well read in the subject.

i'm going to buy theresa a carrot for protection. she can poke the intruder in the eye

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Originally posted by Theresa The problem with your "brandishing gun" idea is that not only can regular Americans get their hands on guns, so can the criminals. Who is more likely to get hurt in that case? A joe-shmoe who has never shot a gun before, and is scared shitless, or the guy who is looking for his next fix? Guns should be banned altogether. They are an awful invention. Don't you think it is a little fucked up that as a society you are arming yourselves from your own kind? I mean... what the hell have we turned ourselves into?

Yeah, because criminals have such a hard time acquiring illegal things. In the US, criminals aren't allowed to own guns, but they gt their hands on them anyway.

In the case you referenced, why did you assume the joe shmoe had never shot the gun before? Who the hell buys a gun but doesn't learn how to use it? If he didn't learn, but owns it, then decides to brandish it, and he gets shot, it's his own damn fault.

Guns were hardly an awful invention. Your life would be a hell of a lot different without the invention of guns, whether they were used peacefully or for war. Hell, without guns, half of your country would be uninhabitable due to the number of bears and wolves.

Lastly, even if you don't like guns, you have to admit that they're already here. You're not going to completely disarm an entire nation. At this point, you'll just disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving the criminals to run rampant on a disarmed society. It'd be nice if police could do it all, but they can't, as shown by the crime rates in both of our countries. BTW, did you read any of the links I posted before? If you did, you'd realize that less than 1/3 of homicides are committed with guns anyhow.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Just gonna hit the lexicon for 'brandishing'. Apperantly it means: "svänga, svinga {särskilt vapen och ofta på ett hotfullt sätt} (verb; transitivt)". which in turn means: "swing (especially guns and often in a threatfull way)" So, yeah, brandishing would be considered 'using' imo. I do not define using in the term of cleaning maybe, but even that would be rare for most americans. Unless you count the army guys who just won't leave guns behind...

I consider "using" a gun to be firing it, that's why I asked.

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Groundhog Boy, with that logic you can just skip all of your laws: the criminals will break them anyway, right?

Not the best comparison though, agreed...

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yeah, because criminals have such a hard time acquiring illegal things. In the US, criminals aren't allowed to own guns, but they gt their hands on them anyway. In the case you referenced, why did you assume the joe shmoe had never shot the gun before? Who the hell buys a gun but doesn't learn how to use it? If he didn't learn, but owns it, then decides to brandish it, and he gets shot, it's his own damn fault. Guns were hardly an awful invention. Your life would be a hell of a lot different without the invention of guns, whether they were used peacefully or for war. Hell, without guns, half of your country would be uninhabitable due to the number of bears and wolves. Lastly, even if you don't like guns, you have to admit that they're already here. You're not going to completely disarm an entire nation. At this point, you'll just disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving the criminals to run rampant on a disarmed society. It'd be nice if police could do it all, but they can't, as shown by the crime rates in both of our countries. BTW, did you read any of the links I posted before? If you did, you'd realize that less than 1/3 of homicides are committed with guns anyhow. I consider "using" a gun to be firing it, that's why I asked.

Why do you assume that everyone who owns a gun knows how to use it? Wasn't it you who just said a couple posts back that a lot of people who own guns are a shitty shot?

I am not sure what your point was about criminals being able to get guns... that was my point.

Anyway, agree to disagree. You like guns, I don't. I still believe they are a terrible invention.

well im kinda curious how you would explain us having more guns per person than you guys, but yet have a violent crime rate nowhere near yours.No one says total disarmament, but you must admit that the amendmant in your constitution that grants the right to bear arms is way too vague and open to multiple interpretation.Shits already gone mad on your side of the fence, and this is one example of your constitution hindering forward progress.Hmmm the vice president of the united states is associated with one of the worlds biggest manufacturers of weapons, i wonder if he would make an effort to save the innocent lives being lost daily to this problem by sacrificing profits

No I dont own a gun, but I plan on owning several soon.

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Originally posted by Theresa Don't you think it is a little fucked up that as a society you are arming yourselves from your own kind? I mean... what the hell have we turned ourselves into?

humans haven't turned themselves into anything, they've been killing eachother and everything else since caveman times.

Why dont you look at the demographics involved with injury and death by gunshot wounds. Youll find its a fairly narrow band of the population that has high %s within.