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kwongandy
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quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You're blinded by your anti-Americanism. Look to Europe (and other Western countries) for working mixed models.

By the way, I challenge you to name 5-10 cures, vaccines, or major discoveries made in Canada since the public healthcare monopoly was thrust on us.

Canadians no longer innovate in the area of healthcare (or in many other areas for that matter).


So, what did Canada invent before public healthcare in the medical profession? I tried googling and found a few items. Besides, insulin, pablum and pediatric research, mobile blood tranfusion unit, and surgery for epilepsy, what has Canada done?

http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/...inventions.html

Cures and vaccines are in the hands of large corporations that hold all the patents. That doesn't leave much, does it?


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kwongandy
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Originally posted by MarkT
I'd love to see an organized initiative on the part of charties to encourage people to do that...it's a great idea...they could release some sort of basic calculation on what the average middle to upper income earner will save and ask them to donate that sum to charity.

personally, rather than a cut in GST, I'd rather see income tax cuts, incentives, threshold changes, etc.

Then people can decide to do with their increased take-home earnings...save/invest or increase their spending...rather than the gov't decidind that we have to spend to realize savings.

does that make sense? savings at the source > savings at the register?

again, I'll use my example that a guy buying a luxery car doesn't need to save 1%...when you can target tax cuts/incentives towards the lower and middle classes, it benefits those who more need tax relief.

but what sounds better to voters come election time..."we upped the threshold of the 2nd tier income tax bracket by x dollars!" or "we cut the GST by 1%!"

few, including myself, will actively *complain* about a GST cut...I just think they could have been more productive about it if they're willing to forgo that much tax revenue (and even more when it's cut a further 1%)


As a trained economist (myself included), Harper should've lowered income taxes and RAISED the GST if need be. Everyone knows that reducing consumption taxes vs. income taxes is the wrong way to go, but since the Liberals initiated the income tax reduction, he would go the opposite route.

Also, what sounds more appealing to a voter, a GST or income tax cut? It just sounds so much more appealing to the voter to have a GST cut, yet it's the wrong approach to the economy.

As for Jayx1, I agree that the military should get their funding but your justifications are so off base. You have to get your head out of Harper's ass before you can see what reality is.

If Canada is subject to a disaster, we would call in the Marines? Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina? FEMA and their government response was pitiful.


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Old Post Jul-07-2006 18:33  Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You're blinded by your anti-Americanism. Look to Europe (and other Western countries) for working mixed models.

By the way, I challenge you to name 5-10 cures, vaccines, or major discoveries made in Canada since the public healthcare monopoly was thrust on us.

Canadians no longer innovate in the area of healthcare (or in many other areas for that matter).


this was debated in a previous thread some time ago.

just because we don't invent anything new...it doesn't mean that Canada doesn't make substantial contributions to the healtcare industy...our Pharamaceutical industry is hardly a joke.

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quote:
Originally posted by kwongandy
As.

As for Jayx1, I agree that the military should get their funding but your justifications are so off base. You have to get your head out of Harper's ass before you can see what reality is.

If Canada is subject to a disaster, we would call in the Marines? Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina? FEMA and their government response was pitiful.


Tell me then who would,and should be the first response if a disaster struck canada?

Id say the canadian miltary (if we had much of one)


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Originally posted by TranceGeek
right, earn some sovereignty back by buying 8 billion worth of Boeing aircraft form US... in the Middle East's eyes it makes us look like we're begging to be US's friend...

pitiful


There, fixed.


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Originally posted by MarkT but how the heck did this guy come up with 23 bucks a month if it's a subsidized day care program?

I think (and I have NOT done the math) that he's probably looking at the dollar value of what the Liberals would have spent and just divided it by the estimated # of kids out there...which is NOT how a national program would work if you make spots available on an 'as requested' or 'as needed' basis.

I bet he's not factoring out all the parents who's kids are not in daycare, who don't need/ask/want the help, who have a parent at home, etc. etc. whereas the CPC plan just doles it out to everyone (correct?)


That's exactly how he figured it out actually, and you make good points in refuting it.

The problem I have with it is that with subsidized (aka. Run by the Goverment) daycare, we then have to deal with a daycare union. So, factor in the almost guaranteed immediate underestimate of how much the system will cost in the first place (it's a Liberal specialty), then factor in the fact that every year (or 4, depending on the contract negotiations), the Union will threaten a strike if their employees don't get some fat pay-increase. The cost mushrooms.

I'll bet that 5 billion dollars over 5 years (so, 1 billion a year) quickly becomes a multi-billion dollar per year project (ala Health Care, Education, Gun registry).

I don't trust Liberal math. Ever. I didn't when I voted Liberal, I don't now. I don't think the Conservative method was any better. I don't think that people without children should be paying to cover up for other people's mistakes. Also, I'm of the firm belief that most people need a lifestyle change more than they need more money when it comes to properly raising their kids. Kids need time, not cash. And daycare isn't the answer, I've been there, and I would never wish the hell that is daycare on ANY child.


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