wtf r u people on!

trance is one of the most popular forms of dance music out!

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Originally posted by djmetatron I'm absolutely sick of dolts on here complaining about how trance nowadays is sooooo shitty and in 1999 it was soooooo neat. Geezus, your wrong. Good trance is being made today just as it was in '99 just as it was in '00, '01, '02 etc. You just have to find it. Face it, trance quality hasn't changed, YOU HAVE. Get over it.

Right. Things are just the same as in 99-02 and trance is just as popular and there are just as many great tracks being produced.
I must be imagining things. We had Scott Bond here over the weekend.. big weekend too being canada day long weekend. Yet the dancefloor consisted of around 30 people. When he came here in 2000 it was absolutely packed and was the ONLY place to be on that night.
There is a reason that this topic comes up so often.. it's because unfortunately it's quite true. Nowadays any time I hear an amazing trance track I feel like the person should be given a gold medal for achieving something so rare.

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You're chasing Amy man, people have always been saying trance is dead and will continue to whether it is or not. Music changes, YOU change, and I'm sorry but there is no way you can look at the music from your past without bias because no matter how hard you try there is still some nostalgia there that sways your opinion. I don't really see trance getting less popular either, hell it seems to be getting more popular in the states lately (although drum n bass and house/jungle still pervade most clubs). The only real thing I've noticed lately is the influx of prog, but there's still plenty of trance to be found and honestly It doesn't seem any different to me than the old stuff from 99 and up to 03. You can't expect music to stay the same man, just keep looking for the good stuff and don't get caught up in glorifying the past.

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Originally posted by Tak Dub Bam BBE vs TTD '99 vs '06 I Win.

Vengaboys - Kiss (Airscape Remix) vs Cape Town - Proglifter
'98 vs '06
I win.

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS Why is it that I have heaps of stuff from 1999-2003 that sounded better to me then as well as still to this day than 99% of 2005/2006 trance?

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Originally posted by paulandrews Vengaboys - Kiss (Airscape Remix) vs Cape Town - Proglifter '98 vs '06 I win.

Good shot my friend! Tie?

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS That's really not it. I know the difference between appreciating something for it's nostalgic relevance, or appreciating something strictly for what it is. That wasn't the music that got me into it, or even the music that got me started with DJing. If that was the case I'd be pulling out my old Reactivate 9 & 10 records from 94/95 etc. I'm talking about specifically trance from 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002.. which also happens to be trance from when it was at it's peak. It's not some unexplainable cultarul phenomenon how trance took a massive plunge after that in terms of it's respectability and appreciation globally. House has been around all through that time and it hasn't suffered that fate. The productions just went downhill. The music stopped being interesting or captivating to a lot of people myself included. It doesn't mean I just grew out of Trance and that I'm not able to appreciate a great trance track.. because once in a while I do hear something great that really stands out. The harder it is for people to find great tracks though or the less great tracks there are to go around, the more shitty stuff you are going to hear people playing and progressively that will turn people off of the music or going to the events.

Well, since trance got the massive respect, recognition and popularity, it´s logical that there are lots of people nowadays who´re crying about todays state. The more popular something is, the bigger expectations for the future are. The whole process of progression is absolutely logical, new people are coming to the scene and have the same feelings as people who started listening in 1998. People are still dying to hear the new tracks, they love how todays trance sounds. There might be some global decrease of popularity, but this does not happen because trance went downhill, it´s because we don´t have any more Sylver, Aqua, Vengaboys and all this cheesy stuff which hit the top spots of the world-wide charts and caused that many people got an interest in EDM as a whole. It was a trend which influenced many people.

Have you some specific idea how should trance sound like today? Or is it only 'like it was in 98-02'? If it stayed the same, wouldn´t it be a lot boring? Ferry mixed trance with electro and techno and pushed the genre forwards and we can read how many people are displeased with these kind of experiments, so what is the solution for you? Trance is still made spontaneously, ATRC was made in 2 hours, Escape was made just because Airbase was bored and played with some sounds a bit, the same story is behind Incognition and so on. What exactly do you miss?

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Originally posted by Tak Dub Bam Good shot my friend! Tie?

Tie

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Originally posted by Dyshein You're chasing Amy man, people have always been saying trance is dead and will continue to whether it is or not.

They weren't saying that in 1999/00. Everywhere you looked it was big headlines about THE YEAR OF TRANCE etc. Trance dominated. It was massive.

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there is no way you can look at the music from your past without bias because no matter how hard you try there is still some nostalgia there that sways your opinion.

Sorry man, but I know the difference between appreciating something for nostalgic reasons or not. I have stacks of records dating back from over a decade ago when I started and I know the difference between the ones I appreciate for their nostalgic qualities vs stuff that is just brilliantly well done compared to most of today's tracks and that I could bring out and play and expect to get a huge response from.

For example, this year between a few different shows I pulled out Tilt - Invisible (Lost Tribe rmx), plus Art of Trance - Madagascar (Push rmx), Nitromethane - Time To Die (Seraque mix), and also Ambassador - The Fade. Each of them absolutely killed and this was not even to a trance crowd. Massive tracks that stand out so greatly and are truly timeless classics. Where have the new massive timeless classics been since 2003? Few & far between. What happened to lord Armin and his consistent flow of massive productions? Do many of you guys look forward to his releases (or Tiesto's) with much anticipation anymore? I know I don't.. along with a big list of other previously reliable bang-on trance producers.

You can deny what's been going on, but when you're Scott Bond flying overseas a few thousand miles to play somewhere and you are met with a dancefloor of 30 people, you'd probably feel a bit differently.
Or when you yourself realize that your booking schedule is drastically decreasing and that there are less people wanting to do trance events/club nights as well as a scarce population of people to support the ones that do happen. Or being a promoter and flying people in from the uk only to lose money from lack of support.

None of these things lead to a very good place, although in the same sense they aren't noticable from the comfy chair you sit in while viewing these forums and playing your favorite trance tunes.

The only way to reverse some of the negative effects is to figure out what happened, what's wrong, what contributed to it, and figure out how to breathe some life & magic back into it however possible.

I'm sure there are plenty of trance DJs reading this board who would love to have more bookings, more people attending, more places to play at. Promoters being able to pull off successful events. And generally trance not being such a bad word to so many people.

Not to mention not as many people bitching about how crappy everything is!

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i think you just expect too much...
there are many artists that remain loyal to their stiles for 10 years and more and some new artists going old school, trance is not dead it is just the way it is, trance repeats itself like any other music...
listen to infected mushrooms stuff from the last two years listen to dark nebula enc...
thogh infected do experiment with some out of trance sounds but most of their recent tracks from the last couple of years are pure psytrance with a twist

@ DJ Nemisis, thats a well written post and I buy most of what you're saying...

So, is 2006, like the year of Hip-hop? And is that why trance is dead... because its not part of pop culture anymore?

Get this, trance HAS changed... and so has R n' B, House, Rock, and a whole bunch of other genres. Sub genres like Emo (????) have cropped up.. and yes, the music scene IS evolving.

Maybe we aren't... and that's the problem. Maybe we're looking for the next big wave... but hoping its gonna sound like that last one we loved so much. That rush of emotion you felt, when you first heard the sound that made your nerve endings tingle... that's probably not gonna happen again... coz you've been there, heard that, and instead of moving ahead... just got stuck in a hole.

There are scores of people being drawn into the sound today who love "trance" as its defined today.. Does that make them morons? Or unworthy of "trance".

If there really has been a demise of trance, as you knew it in '99... and it was such hot shit.. then why aren't more producers making it? Because then it would all just sound the same, and the people whining about trance being dead.. would instead be whining about how the sound hasn't changed in 12 years. Just because trance doesn't sell as much, or has declined in overall popularity, doesn't mean its "dead".

And if it is, then Why, like someone else said,is Godskitchen going to be packed to the rafters this year?

What you could try, is getting off the internet and go out to support your local DJ. He's probably playing some insane sounds that Tiesto never will... and no, it doesn't sound like '99 "real" trance either. I wish more people on this forum did something about the sound they love instead of constantly whinging that trance is dead.

It isn't... your brain cells are.

It's time to evolve or die.

What exactly do you mean 2006 vs 1999 Trance?

Keep reminiscing....

Trance hasn't died, it's still there for a fact. Sooner or later, you'll either stick with the flow or just move onto something else. Music evolves.

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