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Originally posted by dj_kane yes 93 and if you listen he says its not techno etc it is trance like so it hadnt been labeled yet it was labeled after that.

go and dig up some trance cds from 1992 and they are labelled as trance music. The first Trancemaster CD for instance was released in 1992.

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Originally posted by david.michael What is the difference between the old threads like this and the new threads like this? Nothing.

Yes there is a difference, a technical one. I've been pondering about this a long time now.

Differences:

• Simple, yet effective basslines. No 'double' basslines.
  
  
• Far more 'hypnotical' or repetetive intro riffs.
  
  
• The above goes for the drum lines as well.
  
  
• Indeed not the explicit lead lines as the thread starter mentioned.
  
  
• More Sound effects.
  
  
• More atmosphere.
  
  
• No overdone melodies. Nice melodies, but effective and not 'over-composed'.
  
  
• Old tracks didn't sound as exaggerated 'clean' as do they nowadays. By that I mean the level of final mixing.
  

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Originally posted by RebeL9 funny I find the usage of breakdowns of most trance stuff today VERY predictable. I mean listen to the stuff which most Armada and Anjunaguys produce today. You can already expect what will come when you play the tune. It's exactly what Ishkur was saying in that other thread. When these kind of tunes are played it's like you are meant to act in a certain way. "Ok here comes the buildup start dancing! and.... now comes the breakdown.... wave your arms for three minutes!! aaand here comes the bassline again dance dance!!" and so on in the next tune and the next.

See thats what I am saying, the predictable sounding breakdown that just comes out of thin air and you know how it going to sound. Thats the problem with trance. But with progressive trance/house and breaks on the other hand, there's breakdowns but they are more subtle, and the ones with not so subtle breakdowns are not the same as the Armada or Anjunabeats type stuff. The stuff i'm into isn't exactly what is found on these labels yet it's melodic and it does contain some breakdowns. My whole point is not in favor of predictable super-saw breakdowns, but in gradual, more unique sounding breakdowns. I don't expect or want every track to have them either, since I mentioned in a few of my posts for VARIETY, which I and other people feel is important.

Another example i've mentioned before when i've talked about this is Micro de Govia's "Vital Spark". That breakdown is pretty gradual and it definitely adds to the track, rather than take it over, and it doesn't sound fake or too over the top. But it's still melodic and warm and emotional, it really adds to the track to create an atmosphere. I personally think creating an atmosphere in a track and in a set is important, whether it's an uplifting track like "Vital Spark", or some darker psy, techno or prog stuff. That can be created with tracks without breakdowns too, but some tension and release is important, whether it's just a subtle shift in the music. If a set contained all tracks with big breakdowns, there is no tension or release in that either. I mean this is just a PERSONAL thing, the way I view it, I don't care if you don't agree. I don't expect everyone to have the same views on music as I do.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 See thats what I am saying, the predictable sounding breakdown that just comes out of thin air and you know how it going to sound. Thats the problem with trance. But with progressive trance/house and breaks on the other hand, there's breakdowns but they are more subtle, and the ones with not so subtle breakdowns are not the same as the Armada or Anjunabeats type stuff. The stuff i'm into isn't exactly what is found on these labels yet it's melodic and it does contain some breakdowns. My whole point is not in favor of predictable super-saw breakdowns, but in gradual, more unique sounding breakdowns. I don't expect or want every track to have them either, since I mentioned in a few of my posts for VARIETY, which I and other people feel is important. Another example i've mentioned before when i've talked about this is Micro de Govia's "Vital Spark". That breakdown is pretty gradual and it definitely adds to the track, rather than take it over, and it doesn't sound fake or too over the top. But it's still melodic and warm and emotional, it really adds to the track to create an atmosphere. I personally think creating an atmosphere in a track and in a set is important, whether it's an uplifting track like "Vital Spark", or some darker psy, techno or prog stuff. That can be created with tracks without breakdowns too, but some tension and release is important, whether it's just a subtle shift in the music. If a set contained all tracks with big breakdowns, there is no tension or release in that either. I mean this is just a PERSONAL thing, the way I view it, I don't care if you don't agree. I don't expect everyone to have the same views on music as I do.

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Originally posted by AirPole Yes there is a difference, a technical one. I've been pondering about this a long time now. Differences: Simple, yet effective basslines. No 'double' basslines. Far more 'hypnotical' or repetetive intro riffs. The above goes for the drum lines as well. Indeed not the explicit lead lines as the thread starter mentioned. More Sound effects. More atmosphere. No overdone melodies. Nice melodies, but effective and not 'over-composed'. Old tracks didn't sound as exaggerated 'clean' as do they nowadays. By that I mean the level of final mixing. Yep, that is my conclusion after weeks and weeks of listening to 'old' Trance, because I only listen to old stuff nowadays, for 90%. Now, tell me again there's no difference compared to the other threads.

See this is what a lot of the more progressive stuff being released has, it's just like what your describing. Stuff from Snake Sedrick, Jay Lumen, Retroid, Subsky, Storyteller, Peter McCowan/Alucard, Madoka, Clubbervision, Kalafut & Fygle, Joel Armstrong, Damien Heck, Derek Howell, Darioef, Andrew K, V-Sag, Bart van Wissen, Basic Perspective, Benz & MD, Digital Witchcraft, DJ Tarkan, Matthew Dekay, Jordan Daniel, Cassino & Laben, Incolumis and many others.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concise

Whatever, you should know me by now. I've been posting here now for over a year, on a pretty regular basis. I don't need to be reminded, really...thats not going to make me write shorter replies. If you don't want to read the long posts of mine, don't read them, I don't care.

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ORIGINS OF TRANCE!!!
Early electronic art music artists such as Klaus Schulze have proven to be a significant influence on trance music. Throughout the 1970s Schulze recorded numerous albums of atmospheric, sequencer-driven electronic music. Also, several of his albums from the 1980s include the word "trance" in their titles, such as the 1981 Trancefer and 1987 En=Trance.

Elements of what became modern club music also known as trance music were also explored by industrial artists in the late 1980s. Most notable was Psychic TV's 1989 album Towards Thee Infinite Beat, which featuring drawn out and monotonous patterns with short looping voice samples and is considered by some to be the first trance record. The intent was to make sound that was hypnotic to its listeners, this would also lead to a strain of trance known as Euphoria being developed which caused an uplifting sensation among its listeners who became somewhat euphoric during listening.

TRANCE BEGINS AS A GENRE!!!

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The earliest identifiable trance recordings came not from within the trance scene itself, but from the UK acid house movement, and were made by The KLF. The most notable of these were the original 1988 / 1989 versions of 'What Time Is Love' and '3AM Eternal' (the former indeed laying out the entire blueprint for the trance sound - as well as helping to inspire the sounds of hardcore and rave) and the 1988 track 'Kylie Said Trance'. Their use of the term 'pure trance' to describe these recordings reinforces this case strongly. These early recodings were markedly different from the releases and re-releases to huge commercial success around the period of the 'White Room' album (1991) and are significantly more minimalist, nightclub-oriented and 'underground' in sound.

The trance sound beyond this acid-era genesis is said to have begun as an off-shoot of techno in German clubs during the very early 1990s. Frankfurt is often cited as a birthplace of Trance. Some of the earliest pioneers of the genre included DJ Dag (Dag Lerner), Oliver Lieb, Sven Väth and Torsten Stenzel, who all produced numerous tracks under multiple aliases. Trance labels like Eye Q, Harthouse, Superstition, Rising High, FAX +49-69/450464 and MFS Records were Frankfurt based. Arguably a fusion of techno and house, early trance SHARED MUCH WITH TECHNO (This is for system-j, who thinks that trance back then was very different form techno and that the genre-boundaries were clear!)in terms of the tempo and rhythmic structures but also added more melodic overtones which were appropriated from the style of house popular in Europe's club scene at that time. This early music tended to be characterized by hypnotic and melodic qualities and typically involved repeating rhythmic patterns added over an appropriate length of time as a track progressed.

Of worth to note, the album that is generally accepted as THE definition of the frankfurt trance sound, and which subsequently influenced all of the early pioneers mentioned above, was the Pete Namlook "4Voice" album. Of note, one of the studio engineers who worked on this pioneering effort was one Maik Maurice, otherwise known as 1/2 of Resistance D, the famed Hard Trance duo. If you are a fan of the frankfurt sound, this album is the beginning.

PSY-TRANCE!!!

At about the same period of time in the late 1980's and early 1990s, a musical revolution was happening in Goa, India. Electronic body music (EBM) bands like Cabaret Voltaire and Front 242 came to Goa and began influencing artists like Goa Gil, Eat Static, Doof, and Man With No Name who heard the psychedelic elements of EBM, expanded on them minus the vocals and guitars to create Goa trance. Goa music is heavily influenced by Indian culture and psychedelic drugs, as seen in numerous references to both in track and album titles.


STYLES OF TRANCE!!!

Acid trance: An early '90's style. Characterized by the use of a Roland TB-303 bass machine as the lead synth.

Classic trance: Original form of trance music, said to have originated in the very early 90's. Characterized by less percussion than techno, more melody, arpeggiated melody, and repetitive melodic chords/arpeggios.

(So, early trance DID have some main melodies in opposition to what the threadstarter said at his first post. Lot's(but not all) of early tracks in a matter of fact had a main arpeggiated main lead-line.)

Classic Trance Artists:

Artists: Westbam, Dance 2 Trance, Jam and Spoon, Sven Väth, Oliver Lieb, Cosmic Baby, Union Jack.

Anthem trance (also known as uplifting trance): Style of trance that emerged in the wake of progressive trance in the late 90's. Characterized by extended chord progression in all elements (lead synth, bass chords, treble chords), extended breakdowns, and relegation of arpeggiation to the background while bringing wash effects to the fore.

Artists:

Artists: Vincent de Moor, Ronski Speed, Tiësto, System F, 4 Strings, Super8, Ayla, Paul van Dyk, Armin van Buuren, ATB, Blank & Jones, Marco V, Matt Darey.

These guys in wikipedia know their job!!!

Oh and System-j...stop being a rude fuck!!!Cheers.

We can all read Wikipedia- and a link would have been better than a big text dump. And please stop making back-handed jabs at me. I didn't embarrass myself in that thread.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I am sure that some songs probably did have a lead recognizable as the "main" melody in a song, but I am just as sure that almost none of them had a lead that called all the listener's attention to itself and drowned out every other sound. At least, I have not yet heard such a trance song made in the early '90s.

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