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A crime in progress: Molly is way out of bounds by being actually inside this Yorkville eatery, but the server gave her water anyway. If you’re a dog, even being on an Ontario restaurant patio is against the law.

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Ontario's pooch-free patios
Even patios are out for dogs under Ontario's health protection law. Except experts say dogs aren't a health hazard. Besides, birds are also outlawed, but nobody seems to have told the pigeons
Jul. 29, 2006. 01:00 AM
JUDY GERSTEL
LIFE WRITER

Among the ladies at lunch in Yorkville on a sweltering summer day, sipping ice water and taking in the passing parade, is Molly, perfectly groomed, sporting a great haircut and attracting admiring glances.

Not much bigger than the pigeons who frequent restaurant and café patios all over town, the tiny Yorkshire terrier is nevertheless flouting the law of the land, although it's the restaurant that will incur the penalty.

Molly the scofflaw will go free — as free as her leash allows.

The law violated by the Yorkie and the Yorkville eatery is Section 59 of Regulation 562 of the Ontario Health Protection and Promotion Act:

"Every operator of a food premise shall ensure that... every room where food is... served...is kept free from... live birds and animals."

It's the latter, in the form of schnoodles, shih tzus and mutts (with an exemption for working dogs) and not the former, in the form of pigeons, seagulls and sparrows, that concerns city health inspectors charged with enforcing the Ontario law — even though, says a University of Guelph scientist, birds pose more of a health risk.

"Birds, flies eating feces before landing on food, I'd be far more concerned about them transmitting infections," Sandra Lefebvre says.

A veterinarian and researcher of diseases shared between pets and people, she confesses to allowing her cat to walk on the dining room table at home while she eats.

As for prohibiting dogs on restaurants patios, she says, "There are no health reasons that I know of."

But a Toronto food safety manager defends the decision to go after dogs.

"We certainly can't control pigeons and seagulls," says Gerry Lawrence, who oversees a team of 12 inspectors. "God's creatures could end up anywhere. It's the creatures we have control over we would not permit to be present."

Among these forbidden creatures: a canine on the patio of Gabby's at 2572 Yonge St. in mid-May.

Gabby's at this location is among a dozen Toronto restaurants listed by dogfriendly.com as welcoming dogs to their outdoor eating area. Several, including Gabby's, have changed their policy because of a crackdown by regulators.

Other restaurants around the city, including three in Yorkville that allow dogs on their patios, either ignore the law or are unaware that it applies to outdoor areas.

Almost all restaurants will permit dogs to remain on the other side of a railing or wrought iron fence that defines the eating area, even though the dogs are still adjacent to the tables.

"I totally allowed dogs on the patio," explains Gabby's manager Steve Atherley, "but a health inspector came by and said every patio has to be dog-free if you serve food."

He says a woman from the neighbourhood complained and reported the restaurant.

Dogs are no longer welcome at the restaurant's outdoor area, which is adjacent to a store selling pet supplies. Before, Atherley says, people would stop by with pets ranging from rottweilers to chihuahuas.

"We never had a problem with any of the dogs."

Food safety manager Lawrence suggests the legislation, which specifically mentions birds but not dogs, might have originated many years ago because of a concern about keeping live poultry on the premises that would be butchered and served.

`You're more likely to get an infection from the person sitting next to you than from a dog sitting next to you on a patio'

Scott Weese, veterinary college professor

Also, restaurant patios were uncommon in Ontario before the 1980s, when the current Health Protection and Promotion Act replaced century-old legislation.

In fact, the dog prohibition is really about cultural and individual preferences even though it is linked — speciously, say experts — to public health or food safety issues, which are pretty much non-existent.

"It's highly likely that the province is citing health reasons in order to meet preference-based concerns," acknowledges Toronto city councillor Shelley Carroll, who represents Don Valley East and has a golden retriever named Maxx and emphasizes that pet owners have to be responsible and obey the law.

Still, she adds, "If there were health concerns, there would be a lot of sick people in France."

There, and in other European countries, it's not unusual to see dogs and cats not only on patios but in restaurant dining rooms.

However, says Carroll, "There are people who are afraid of dogs and people who would never own a dog and think of them as not being clean, who say, `I'm not sharing this patio with a dog.'"

"A lot of it is cultural," acknowledges Scott Weese, associate professor of clinical studies at the Ontario Veterinary College in Guelph, whose dog Meg sits beside the table at home. "The potential (for disease) is very minimal. And there's no greater risk on a restaurant patio than having a dog anywhere else."

The risk, he says, which is always present with a dog, comes from "touching the dog and getting bacterium on the hand and putting it in the mouth. But it's easily preventable by not touching the dog or washing your hands before you eat."

It all comes down to common sense and good hygiene, wherever you are, scientists suggest.

As Weese puts it: "You're more likely to get an infection from the person sitting next to you than from a dog sitting next to you on a patio.

"It's so widely done in Europe, and we're unaware of any outbreaks (of disease) in Europe linked to pets on patios."

Nor does the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta consider dogs to be a health risk at outdoor restaurants.

"Although dogs can pass some germs to people and may have fleas or ticks, those are risks you have from being around a dog anywhere," spokesperson Christine Pearson says.

"Being in a restaurant would not necessarily pose any additional risk."

Pearson, who owns a golden retriever puppy named Milo, adds: "We do recommend that people thoroughly wash hands with soap and water after having contact with dogs."

"It's not about health," concurs Len Kain, vice-president of dog friendly.com. "It's about some percentage of the population feeling dogs shouldn't be there.

"But just because I don't like loud music, they don't ban it — even though there's a bigger risk to my health, because you can go deaf from loud music."

Dog owner Israel Morales, a former nurse who lives near the restaurants and patios around St. Lawrence Market, says his shih tzu Angel is family and he doesn't like to leave her alone for long.

"That's why I don't go to restaurants," he says.

Angel, he notes, is bathed several times a week, has her teeth brushed and tongue scrubbed regularly and behaves in accordance with her name.

She would fit right into the patio scene, he says. "I've seen kids behave badly at restaurants, worse than dogs."

Well-behaved dogs and responsible owners should be allowed to sit on patios together, says Fran Berkoff, an Annex resident who often walks into Yorkville with Molly the Yorkie.

"It's nice in summer to take her for a walk and stop for something to eat and drink," she says. "It doesn't hurt anybody. She doesn't bother anybody. She lies quietly at my feet."

Still, Berkoff says she wouldn't necessarily want to adopt the European habit of carrying Yorkies into upscale restaurants.

"If I were going out for an evening of fine dining, I wouldn't want to take the dog," she says, "but that's a different experience than patio dining."

More North American urban centres are moving in the direction of the the cosmopolitan European attitude to dogs, allowing them to accompany owners dining al fresco.

Austin, Texas, recently made it a point to permit leashed dogs at outdoor restaurant areas. Other cities in the U.S., including Santa Barbara in California, simply don't enforce outdated state prohibitions.

In Florida, it's now up to local governments to decide whether restaurant owners should have the option to open their patios to diners with dogs. The regulation will be reviewed after three years.

Ontario legislator Michael Prue, who once served on the Toronto Board of Health, is aware of the pilot program in Florida and agrees that dogs on patios is not really a public health concern.

"It's probably an esthetics reason...," says the MPP for Beaches-East York, a New Democrat who once owned a German shepherd named Artemis.

The prohibition, he says, "was not, as I recall, for anything to do with transmission of disease directly from animal to person."

The problem is that "people don't want to eat lunch if a dog starts doing its business right there. I think that's more or less what it's about."

Prue says he's never had anyone suggest to him, as an MPP, that the law should be changed to allow individual restaurant owners to decide whether to allow dogs to join patrons on patios.

But "if there is a mood for it," he says, it might be a good idea to follow Florida's lead.

"If the law is to be changed or challenged, there would have to be public input," he says. "It would need study. If people in the province want it, I will ask for public hearings."

City councillor Carroll agrees that permitting cities to implement policies regarding dogs on patios, with allowances for the preferences of different neighbourhoods, would be good for Toronto.

Finally, even the experts who find no problem with dogs on patios warn against equal treatment for every pet. Says Guelph scientist Weese, "A reptile on a patio is something I would consider inappropriate."

But of course he wasn't referring to singles bars.

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MPP Michael Prue (Beaches-East York) can be contacted at mprue [email protected] or at 416-690-1032.

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Toronto city councillor Shelley Carroll (Don Valley East) can be reached at councillor_carroll@

toronto.ca or at 416-392-4038.


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ahahahah.. Toronto: the city that fun forgot...


Another great article by Joe Warmington in today's Sun that talks about all the stupid bylaws we have in Toronto...

LOL@"a sign should be erected at your door saying "dont bother going out" hahahahahah

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There ought to be a sign erected that says "no more signs."

But until they install one, sign me up for that business. You'd never be unemployed. What did Les Emmerson of the Five Man Electrical Band sing? "Sign, sign, everywhere a sign."

On any Toronto city block you'll be amazed with what you find -- and just think of the bylaw fine money the city collects when someone is in violation. It should cover council's 9% raise and the legal fees for trying unsuccessfully to close down The Docks.

I'll bet there'll be 10 times more people at The Docks enjoying the summer patio tonight than the number of people their noise affects on the island. And there will be more parking tickets handed out. City accountants may be cheering -- albeit not loud enough for the islanders to hear them.

"Gotcha" should be this city's motto: "Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign!" Emmerson should update the song with a line that says "and now pay the fine."


There's much you can't do here -- no street hockey, no skateboarding, no riding a bike without a helmet. My favourite signs are those that trick you into a parking ticket. Some poles have so many signs on them, you get dizzy trying to read them -- no pedestrian traffic, buses only, no idling and do not block intersection. They should have one outside your front door saying "Don't bother going out!"

There are signs I didn't know existed and I am not sure why they do. One has a big P with a line through it and then says "at other times." Kind of ambiguous, so you should probably stay the hell out of that zone.

There's another one with a man standing and a motorcycle with a line through it. I guess it means no people and no motorcycles allowed. It's unclear if it applies to women on motor scooters too! Don't take a chance, I say.

Now this one. The sign says "No Standing" and then right below it it has a picture of a wheelchair. Kind of redundant I think. And is there a bylaw for insensitivity?

We don't seem to have signs indicating a no-shooting zone -- yet. No sleeping on the sidewalk would be another good one. And no urinating. How about no panhandling?

But we do have a sign with a hotdog cart with a line through it that says "no vending except by city permit." Oh those bylaw-breaking hotdog guys must be controlled. But perhaps instead of those signs the city should put up some with a crack dealer crossed out -- unless, of course, he has a permit.

There's another sign that indicates no stopping "except vendor No. Clv 0002." They should try that for those lovely professional ladies at Church and Carlton -- to avoid any confusion of who should be standing where.

Nearby there is a sign that says "red light camera," which gets some visiting businessmen excited for a minute thinking it says "red light district." We can only dream.

For now we are stuck with a giant fine for sneaking through the amber so we can get home to our tax bill.

There are other confusing signs about litter -- what to throw into what box, etc. They could start with the smelly sleeping bags of the homeless rotting on the sidewalks in 30C heat. Are they blue box or grey box? We may need a sign.

There are some signs that say "buses, taxis and bikes" only but all I saw on those lanes was rollerbladers. If city collectors could only catch up to them, they'd be rolling in fines.

I like the signs that say "urban clean way." Do we have one of those here? You don't need a sign to find any urban dirty way. Most people know what "tow away zone" means. It means $200 on your credit card and your kid can forget getting those cool new running shoes -- unless, of course, your parent is on city council with its upcoming Nike- or Puma-sized raise.

A sign at Nathan Phillips Square says "restricted access, authorized personnel only." Perhaps it should say this area is for the "9% club only." The "no wading" at the reflecting pool is the same kind of teaser as the "no swimming" ones you see sometimes on the beach. A mom whose kids want to get their feet wet will get chased out of there before a homeless person taking a bath ever will.

There's another sign for the city parking lot which has a picture of a fish and just says "trout" under it. I think that is us -- and the bylaw officers are out there reeling us in.

My favourite around city hall says no left turn "7 a.m.-7 p.m., Mon-Fri." With this socialist council there's one I wish they would enforce. Nowhere could I find a sign that says "No smiling" -- so get out there and do some of that on this beautiful summer weekend. Scrawler out.


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It is refreshing that legitimate issues seem to be driving the dispute. I was worried that it would come to "i like to party at the docks and therefore you can't close it because i would miss it".

Instead it has been focused on things like setting bad precedent and the possible negative effect on the city, which will stand up much better in the long run.

Good job to the people fighting this so far, I wish them all the success in the world!


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Is this a press release or a blog?
the docks needs a new communications manager if it's the former!

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Waterfront belongs to us all
Jul. 29, 2006. 01:00 AM

Toronto's cultural wars have moved to the waterfront.

The latest skirmish, fought between the residents of the islands and the Docks nightclub, has not been a pretty sight. It's hard to say who's least sympathetic, the management of an entertainment venue known for its civic indifference or a small group of locals determined to keep the rest of the city at bay.

The same scenario has been played out again and again throughout the city. The combatants vary but the issue is always the same: Who controls the city and do we have the right to choose our neighbours?

Though reports that Canada is a democracy have been greatly exaggerated, still no one has the right to say who lives next door, down the road or across the lake.

Like so many neighbourhood groups, Toronto islanders are reluctant to share their little part of the city with anyone or anything that doesn't meet with their approval. For now, their efforts have been focused on the Docks, but what's next? Centreville? The Guvernment nightclub? Party boats? The Redpath Sugar refinery? The Molson Indy? The Molson Amphitheatre? Caribana? Waterfront revitalization?

On the other hand, it's hard to feel sorry for the Docks, which has been convicted of several noise violations. Judging by its website, Docks patrons largely seem to be young men for whom the thump of the bass fills a deep inner void. We may not like them, but like death and taxes, they are inevitable. Besides, eventually they grow up and want to move to places like Ward and Algonquin islands to live happily — and quietly — ever after.

That's why we need rules. Even though they will never eliminate conflict, Toronto has no shortage of them — bylaws, regulations, zoning ordinances and so on.

But conflict is inevitable, as much a part of urban life as police sirens, traffic jams and construction cranes.

Down by Lake Ontario, the saga of the Docks versus the islanders is just a prelude. Once waterfront revitalization gets going in earnest this fall, the fighting will become incessant, and vicious.

If lakeside residents and businesses remain true to form, we face decades of fighting.

The tendency to intolerance may be inescapable, but in Toronto it's growing worse. We pride ourselves on being a city of diversity but it turns out that's not true when it comes to our own tiny piece of turf.

To make matters worse, the nature of civic governance in this city is such that municipal politicians prefer to play to their constituents' weaknesses, rather than their strengths. The term is NIMBYism, but that hardly does justice to an appalling phenomenon that sees otherwise nice, normal, middle-class neighbours organizing to stop shelters for single mothers, high-rise condos, even hospitals, parks and other public amenities.

Their arguments that such additions are bad for property values are not only bogus, they're misguided, selfish and hysterical. A vibrant waterfront guarantees rising real estate prices.

Dire predictions that rebuilding the waterfront will fail if the Docks ultimately ends up losing its liquor licence are nonsense, best viewed as corporate scare tactics.

Right now only a few hundred people live on the islands, but anyone who has seen what's happened on Queens Quay W. in the last decade or two knows that the waterfront has become a neighbourhood. Supermarkets and drug stores have appeared. Next month, two lanes of Queens Quay will be closed to cars for 10 days to be turned into a bike trail and a linear park. Next year, these changes will be made permanent.

Planners expect that when complete, the new waterfront neighbourhoods will be home to 60,000 people, many of them families living in multi-unit residential buildings. There will also be business, shops, restaurants, bars and, yes, nightclubs.

If the Docks thinks it has problems now, just wait. Things will only get worse.

And how will islanders respond to all the changes, the tall buildings, streetcar noise, social housing and the hordes that will be moving to their area?

A pox on both their houses.

Remember, we live in a city that doesn't belong to any one person, neighbourhood, group or business, but to all.

For too many Torontonians, however, it's easier to love thy neighbour when he doesn't live next door.


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I went to the Docks this afternoon to see about that pep rally was happening and unfortunately there was nothing.

However, a friendly security guy said we should go to the thedocks.com website and there are instructions on how to fill out the letter to send to David Miller to save the Docks permanently!

Russel, I'm gonna send you an email. I was looking for you (about 2 pm) but I figure you were busy with the MUSE setup. I walked into the main room with my fiancee as the security guy was looking for you for me, and I saw the wicked set up with all the speakers and sound...Jenny (and especially me) was totally impressed!

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I just went to the website and didn't see any details re: a letter to David Miller. If there's anything further we can do to help the cause, I'll post it here.

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I went to the Docks this afternoon to see about that pep rally was happening and unfortunately there was nothing.

However, a friendly security guy said we should go to the thedocks.com website and there are instructions on how to fill out the letter to send to David Miller to save the Docks permanently!

Russel, I'm gonna send you an email. I was looking for you (about 2 pm) but I figure you were busy with the MUSE setup. I walked into the main room with my fiancee as the security guy was looking for you for me, and I saw the wicked set up with all the speakers and sound...Jenny (and especially me) was totally impressed!

EDIT:
I just went to the website and didn't see any details re: a letter to David Miller. If there's anything further we can do to help the cause, I'll post it here.


Hey Buddy I was having Lunch at the time, I told them to send you over , but i guess things got confused. Pm me and i will give u my cell no

Russ

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