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Originally posted by weymouth Seems like an awfully big leap of faith to base the idea that one specie is becoming two based on that experiment. If they really wanted to test it they would use the sperm of one bird and inseminate it into the bird from the other side. Perhaps thousands of years into the future they will be able to look back at this experiment and say, "that is when we found evidence that one species became two," however I doubt that will happen.

Why do you doubt, exactly? What if one group went through this:

http://www.physorg.com/news72100592.html
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story...id=132007GM06W0

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Originally posted by weymouth If you did the same experiment with people with different languages you would come to the same result but no one would argue that Russian, American, and Chinese people are becoming different species.

If we're going to talk about human languages, one has to remember that humans are quite good at learning other languages: bilinguism has not been rare in History, for example, and this is one of the reasons why miscigenation has always played a role both in the Old World (where one could walk from China to Europe, as seen in the Silk Road), and in the New World. I'm an example myself - if I started talking my mother language, ia ser bem confuso

Now, unless there's a study on bilinguism in birds, we can't make this analogy.

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Originally posted by Subey Methinks you are the official male manifestation of Ratatoskr!

Hehe, why?

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here is hte most extensive phylogeny that ive encountered (tree of life)


i got to humans from basic singular cell life it took a good 3 or 4 minutes of clicking lol

so its at humans now


http://tolweb.org/Homo_sapiens/16421


now yhou can go on the right where it says "contains group" and see where humans branch from in detail.

oh man i love when evolutionists bring up fossils
(creationism = stupid imo, figure i should put that out there)
i've heard the argument brought up that fossils are there to lead the weak-minded and unfaithful astray and weed out those who aren't completely devout
don't argue with religious people, ignore them
just like arguing with little kids
when they say i'm rubber and you're glue etc, or some other such thing they just say over and over again, you can't win the argument by proving yourself right or them wrong, you can only win it by walking away and not feeling the need for them to acknowledge that you're correct, because you know you are. however, that same logic kinda just makes arguing useless.

i just reread that paragraph literally 5 seconds after i wrote it and i have no idea what the fuck i'm talking about
lol!

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Originally posted by mezzir oh man i love when evolutionists bring up fossils (creationism = stupid imo, figure i should put that out there) i've heard the argument brought up that fossils are there to lead the weak-minded and unfaithful astray and weed out those who aren't completely devout don't argue with religious people, ignore them just like arguing with little kids when they say i'm rubber and you're glue etc, or some other such thing they just say over and over again, you can't win the argument by proving yourself right or them wrong, you can only win it by walking away and not feeling the need for them to acknowledge that you're correct, because you know you are. however, that same logic kinda just makes arguing useless. i just reread that paragraph literally 5 seconds after i wrote it and i have no idea what the fuck i'm talking about lol!

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I was browsing this and thought I would give another theory, but I don't want to start a flame war. Let me make this clear, I do believe in Evolution, and am not a Creationist. I saw that some people were saying "there is either creationism or evolution, and not a third" well the third thing is this, and I'm not saying it is the truth, it's just another theory and it is complete speculation but who knows...

Evolution, Progression or some type of "Process" is the natural state of universe and of life within it, well that's what I've come to believe. So because life forms evolve and adapt, and since we are studying organisms and working to create new organisms in the lab and study them, what if something did the same to us? Wouldn't it be possible to duplicate evolution in a lab via experimenting with our DNA? So if we saw a primitive form of life on another planet, wouldn't it be possible to fuse some of our DNA with that life form, and create a new life form? And then keep creating it and recreating it, until it is able to sustain itself?

Basically it comes down to this. We can study evolution and learn to recreate it in a lab. As we get more advanced technologically, we could (and are beginning to) create fusions...or hybrids. What if we are the byproduct of this by some life-forms on another planet? What if our evolution is a series of experiments, many of them failed, until we became the humans with a brain and body that could survive in our world? And what if the next step in our evolution is upon us? After all, if you believe or have read about alien abductions, the aliens are supposedly creating a hybrid race, and that hybrid race could very well be the next step in our evolution....many, many abductees from all over the world have reported it.

Haha it is a weird theory, I know, but it's worth discussing (intelligently) I think, even if it's a load of crap. Doesn't hurt to brainstorm some new ideas. This might not be exactly "scientific" but doesn't hurt to speculate about things.

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^^ and its also possible the universe was created by this:



it doesnt mean that we should entertain all ludicrous ideas because there might be a possibility. there is no evidence for anything you have written, so id err on the side of caution.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I was browsing this and thought I would give another theory, but I don't want to start a flame war. Let me make this clear, I do believe in Evolution, and am not a Creationist. I saw that some people were saying "there is either creationism or evolution, and not a third" well the third thing is this

How can you claim that's the third when there's all this waiting in line?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_belief

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# 1 Creation myths # 2 Scientific observations * 2.1 Mainstream scientific theories * 2.2 Beliefs grounded in philosophical naturalism # 3 Creation ex nihilo # 4 Religious creation beliefs # 5 Limits to the ontology of creation # 6 Creation within various belief systems * 6.1 Ainu * 6.2 Apache * 6.3 Australian Aboriginal * 6.4 Babylonian * 6.5 Bantu * 6.6 Buddhist * 6.7 Cherokee * 6.8 Chinese * 6.9 Choctaw * 6.10 Christian o 6.10.1 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints * 6.11 Creek * 6.12 Egyptian * 6.13 Evolutionary Spirituality * 6.14 Greek (Classical) * 6.15 Hermeticism * 6.16 Hindu * 6.17 Hopi * 6.18 Hmong * 6.19 Inca * 6.20 Inuit * 6.21 Iroquois * 6.22 Islam * 6.23 Japan * 6.24 Jainism * 6.25 Judaism * 6.26 Lakota * 6.27 Maasai * 6.28 Mandaeism * 6.29 Mandinka * 6.30 Mansi * 6.31 Mayan * 6.32 Māori * 6.33 Mongol * 6.34 Navajo * 6.35 Norse * 6.36 Ojibwe * 6.37 Orok * 6.38 Polynesian o 6.38.1 Hawaiian * 6.39 Randomness * 6.40 Seminole * 6.41 Sikh * 6.42 Surat Shabda Yoga * 6.43 Taoism * 6.44 Voodoo * 6.45 Wicca * 6.46 Yoruba * 6.47 Zen * 6.48 Zoroastrianism * 6.49 Zulu

That's the creationists' greatest flaw - they see their culture as absolute, and think their religious view is more special than the zulu's religious view.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ and its also possible the universe was created by this: it doesnt mean that we should entertain all ludicrous ideas because there might be a possibility. there is no evidence for anything you have written, so id err on the side of caution.

I know there isn't a huge amount of evidence but it's just another theory I thought I would add to keep the discussion interesting. It's not scientific, I'm aware of this. Nor is it something I steadfastly believe, although I do believe in a good number (but not all) alien abductions as well as UFOs (i'm not one to believe anything I see or read but there are some stuff i've seen or read, even lately, that I dunno how someone can refute).

It's fun to speculate, not be all scientific or theological all the time (either extreme scares me). This theory is neither scientific (because it's not really proven by it) or theological (because it doesn't deal with religion or God, though the Raelian cult believes in something like this but their cooks, i'm just speculating not believing.) But it is good to keep an open mind too...

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Originally posted by Lira How can you claim that's the third when there's all this waiting in line? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_belief That's the creationists' greatest flaw - they see their culture as absolute, and think their religious view is more special than the zulu's religious view.

Understandable but a third as in neither a scientific (evolution) nor a theological or mythological explanation. But I guess you could say a moderm mythological idea...I mean what the hell, why not speculate?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ and its also possible the universe was created by this: it doesnt mean that we should entertain all ludicrous ideas because there might be a possibility. there is no evidence for anything you have written, so id err on the side of caution.

Fastest growing religion in Kansas.

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how come it doesn't show the evolution of the size of the penis

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...known from a videotape the two made when they met in March... in Dresdens home, Dresden amputated Gabriels penis and Dresden and Gabriel ate the penis together...Gabriel had insisted that Dresden bite his penis off; this did not work.. Dresden used a knife. When that knife turned out to be too blunt, Dresden used a sharper knife to slice the penis off. Gabriel apparently tried to eat his share of his own penis..but could not because it was too..."chewy". Dresden then sautéed the penis in a pan with salt, pepper, and garlic.