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Originally posted by Grrrrr And secondly by saying things such as "You shouldn't need drugs to allow you to experience empathy, you should be able to experience it genuinely." you are strongly suggesting that drug users cannot do this when i'm sure you are aware this isnt the case. Some people do take it as a shallow and easy way of experiencing these feelings and then i think you're views are valid but to a far greater majority it is just a very pleasant side effect. Also thridly (i know i said 2 things!) i would be very interested to see how your views on drugs were to change (if at all) after experincing them first hand..

I didn't mean to say that drugs users can't experience these things without it, but if someone is taking these things so they can experience empathy, then that would be considered not a real experience. I mean empathy doesn't come from drugs, and if that is the only way someone can experience it, then there must be something else going on with that person that needs to be addressed...ie. personality or identity conflicts, adjustment issues or issues with their environment, or an experience that greatley troubled them that caused them to be this way...ie. PTSD.

There's got to be another way, a better way, then using medication or illegal drugs like ecstacy. I mean I'm not completely anti-drug, but i'm not for drugs either. I wouldn't tell someone to do drugs, nor would I actively tell not to. My biggest issues is dependency, which I raised in another post. People become dependent on things like drugs in order to get "high" or feel things that they might not feel in real life, but there's got to be (and I believe there is) other ways..natural and safer ways of experiencing things and getting "high".

There's many ways of having "peak experiences" or feelings of transcendence and guys like Abraham Maslow (a famous psychologist) and Ken Wilber (a famous philosopher) layed out many ways in which people can and do experience these things without the use of drugs. And this is precisely my point...that there is and should be other ways. And the same with music...of experiencing music...and music is a way one can experience these transcedent forms of consciousness (chanting and drum beating are some of the oldest forms of music and still very much prevalent today, esp in EDM). Ask any Buddhist out there....and they will tell you. Though i'm not Buddhist myself (i'm Christian-Catholic by my upbringing, but my beliefs are much more than those of my upbriging, you can say i'm a lot more than a Catholic, I don't really like to label myself or my beliefs).

on E i like rock and drum n bass music lol

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this sort of thread has been covered to many times.
i couldnt even be arsed to read it

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i dont see why everyone here acts like angels when it comes to people talking about ecstasy. our scene, EDM as a whole, is known for its rampant drug use. and yes, ill admit to having given in to the temptation of illicit drugs, yeah its fun.. but its not why i love the music.

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Originally posted by hiram i dont see why everyone here acts like angels when it comes to people talking about ecstasy. our scene, EDM as a whole, is known for its rampant drug use.

Is there ANY music scene that doesn't have rampant drug use...?

Rock - Cocaine, Marijuana, Alcohol, Heroine, etc.
Country - Hard Alcohol, Cocaine (more in the 70s though)
Hip Hop - Marijuana, Crack/Cocaine, Ecstacy (oh yes, it has its influences there too)
Jazz/Swing - Alcohol, Marijuana, Speed

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I can only tolerate country music once I do some H, smoke some crack, eat 8 shrooms, smoke two joints, shoot up again (morphine), drop a bin Laden and drink two bottles of Robitussin.

but that combo only works if I've got some meth in my system too.

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Originally posted by LuckyKarma I can only tolerate country music once I do some H, smoke some crack, eat 8 shrooms, smoke two joints, shoot up again (morphine), drop a bin Laden and drink two bottles of Robitussin. but that combo only works if I've got some meth in my system too.

Like rehab much? Although, fair enough, it is country music

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Originally posted by Sykonee Hip Hop - Marijuana, Crack/Cocaine, Ecstacy (oh yes, it has its

ecstasy having its influences on hip hop is a recent phenomenon:

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issue...ws/feature.html

the described effects in this article are of mda, not mdma.

see? this is why this is a good thread, not a stupid one.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I didn't mean to say that drugs users can't experience these things without it, but if someone is taking these things so they can experience empathy, then that would be considered not a real experience. I mean empathy doesn't come from drugs, and if that is

correct me if im wrong but you mentioned you've never done E before.

also, ive heard your argument "you dont need drugs, you shouldnt need drugs" many times, and its always from people that, at least on occassion, drink alcohol.

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Originally posted by stevësto ecstasy having its influences on hip hop is a recent phenomenon: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issue...ws/feature.html the described effects in this article are of mda, not mdma. see? this is why this is a good thread, not a stupid one.

Thanks Stevesto This is a Very Interesting Article.

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The DJ's job doesn't look that labor-intensive, but nonetheless, he has the entire audience in thrall. "Talla's sets build on each other," explains Javier -- an assessment that makes sense to someone under the influence of Ecstasy. The sounds come in layers, with each new beat crosshatched onto the one before. Every time Talla makes a slight modulation in the tone or rhythm of his music -- in trance lingo, a "break" -- he points an admonishing finger at the audience, as though preparing everyone for something really momentous. And when the break comes, the crowd heaves a collective sigh of deliverance. Trance is an intensely visceral form of music; its low, throbbing beats and tweaky, repetitive tones are designed to amplify your Ecstasy high. The effect is both sedative and euphoric, causing people to dodder around smiling and hugging each other. Le Sheng Liu of DanceSafe -- an organization that promotes drug awareness in the rave community -- says he first gravitated to the scene because it exuded so much tenderness and sensitivity. "I grew up listening to hip-hop -- and when I say hip-hop, I mean Top 40 radio music," he says. "The rave scene seemed radically different. It wasn't about looking sexy, trying to show off your money, or being better than the next person."

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