what i love most about religion is their tolerance for other peoples' values.

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MUSLIM taxi drivers in Minnesota have declared jihad on duty-free, refusing to carry passengers who are carrying alcohol. The ban has created chaos at Minneapolis-St Paul international airport, where about three-quarters of the 900 taxi drivers are Somali and mostly Muslim. Airport officials have begun working with taxi drivers to install colour-coded lights on taxi roofs to indicate which are alcohol friendly and which are not. The lights are expected to be introduced by the end of the year. Ali Culed, a Somali Muslim who's been driving an airport cab for eight years, said the ban was "a religious issue". "I cannot force anybody to change their belief, but not in my cab," he said. "I don't want the guilt. I just want to be an innocent person." Eva Buzek, a flight attendant who grew up in Poland, said that when she asked a driver to be careful with her suitcase because it had wine in it, he dumped her bags and told other drivers not to carry her either. Four more refused her service. She said the ban went against American values. "I don't want to impose my beliefs on anyone else," she told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "That's why I'm in this country, because of the freedom. "What's going to be next? Do I have to cover my head?" Airport spokesman Pat Hogan said drunken passengers had not had trouble getting a cab, just the ones who let on that they're carrying a bottle. "It's slowly grown over the years to the point that it's become a significant customer service issue for us." The Koran strictly forbids buying, selling, drinking or carrying alcohol. There are an estimated five to seven million Muslims in the US. They have never had political representation in Congress, though that could be about to change this November thanks to Minnesota's Keith Ellison, a Muslim convert who is a Democrat frontrunner in Congressional mid-term elections next month.

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as if having a bunch of drivers that dont know the city theyre driving in isnt bad enough. id fucking lose control if that happened to me.

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Jesus Christ tells us to love one another and even love our enemies. We are to do good to those who dispitfully use us. We are to love our neighbor as ourself.

In the old testiment, under the law at times God told them to kill certain enemies in times of war. That's not the same as a muslim who wants to kill anyone who isn't a muslim.

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Originally posted by xfrodobagginsx Jesus Christ tells us to love one another and even love our enemies. We are to do good to those who dispitfully use us. We are to love our neighbor as ourself. In the old testiment, under the law at times God told them to kill certain enemies in times of war. That's not the same as a muslim who wants to kill anyone who isn't a muslim.

the only thing worse than a theist is a theist who somehow has gotten the impression that his bunch of fantastical nonsense is somehow superior to somebody elses or that somehow comparing two ancient documents outside of their context somehow merits a discussion.

fuck off bible basher.

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In the old testiment, under the law at times God told them to kill certain enemies in times of war. That's not the same as a muslim who wants to kill anyone who isn't a muslim.

Did you read the passage I posted earlier? It encourages people to stone their daughter to death if she tries to "entice" them into worshipping a different God. That doesn't sound like an "enemy" or a "time of war" to me and seems far more morally repugnant than any of the Qu'ran verses you posted earlier...

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There should have been a verse in all three books along the lines of:

"O believers! Be not dumb-asses. Dumb-asses pleaseth not your Lord!"

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by xfrodobagginsx Jesus Christ tells us to love one another and even love our enemies. We are to do good to those who dispitfully use us. We are to love our neighbor as ourself.

If that were true the god fearing bush woudnt have gone into Iraq with guns and tanks but with tea and cake and he would have invited Saddam over for a civilised discussion instead of bitch slapping him.

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Last edited by Moongoose on Oct-02-2006 at 14:58

As far as those verses in the old testiment goes. At that time, the JEWS were under the law. We are no longer under the law. The law had a specific purpose. To show mankind what we truly deserve when we sin against God. When Jesus Christ came and fulfilled the law, He brought grace to mankind. Grace means unearned favor. We don't deserve to have God excuse our sins, but He does it anyway. He can excuse our sins because Jesus Christ took our punishment for sins upon Himself when He died on the cross and rose from the dead. If we truly God what we deserve for our crimes against God, we all would be damned to hell. The only way out of it is to accept what Jesus Christ did for us on the cross to pay for our sins (crimes) against God. Read this original thread and it explains this it detail. It's very simple to understand. I hope you will turn to Jesus Christ and trust what He did for you on the cross.

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[i][b] fuck off bible basher.

correction, Bible swallower

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Two guys who voted 'I am a sheep and blindly follow any religion that suits my needs'; which relegion do you follow?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew No where there did it mention killing them though?

Did you skip these?

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Originally posted by xfrodobagginsx Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

It might be that "slay", "war", "smite", and "murder" are artifacts of translation - how would I know - but I'd say that xfrodobagginsx has provided a fair justification for his original claim (viz. that Islamic texts urge its followers to kill infidels). If you're going to argue him, you ought to discredit the source rather than misrepresent what it says.

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Originally posted by xfrodobagginsx As far as those verses in the old testiment goes. At that time, the JEWS were under the law. We are no longer under the law.

This is just a baseless post-hoc rationalisation. Jesus was Jewish and displays a great reverence for Jewish law and scripture throughout the gospels - even Jesus' two great commandments are taken directly from Jewish law (Deuteronomy 6:4-5 and Leviticus 19:18 respectively). To argue that we are "no longer under the law" is without scriptural basis and, indeed, directly contradicts what Jesus himself supposedly said:

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17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-19

Even Paul - who, far more than Jesus, is responsible for the form Christianity currently takes - preaches adeherence to Jewish law, even for gentile converts. You're free to argue that the Jewish law has no bearing on Christian morality, of course, but understand that in this opinion you are contradicting the majority of canonical Christian scripture. In short, it sounds like you're making it up as you go along.

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