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m2j
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Toronto, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by loca
Love how the people who don't agree automatically call others' beliefs "BS" and what not.

You believe in what you believe or don't believe in your case. No need to throw words like that around (not to mention the fact that if I was Hindu I would be seriously offended).

So what if some people believe in karma? What's the big deal? If it makes people nicer then cool, makes the world a hell of a nicer place. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with that.


well, I didnt have intention of insulting any beliefs/religions.
and I apologize if i offended anyone.

but i used the term BS in relation to concepts such as "destiny" or "fate" which in todays society have no real correlation with any religion, etc... and imo, even though karma started out as a Buddist belief, it has become disconnected and abstracted today. Many people believe in karma and know nothing about buddism.

I hope that clarifies everything. Cheers.


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quote:
Originally posted by loca
Love how the people who don't agree automatically call others' beliefs "BS" and what not.

You believe in what you believe or don't believe in your case. No need to throw words like that around (not to mention the fact that if I was Hindu I would be seriously offended).

So what if some people believe in karma? What's the big deal? If it makes people nicer then cool, makes the world a hell of a nicer place. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with that.


Because religion (beliefs) hasnt always made the world a better place. But thats a totally diferent subject, now isnt it?

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Misanthrope
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Registered: Feb 2005
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that doesn't matter, you still don't insult what someone else believes in.

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Rodrico
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quote:
Originally posted by Misanthrope
that doesn't matter, you still don't insult what someone else believes in.


Well I am pretty sure this was an open discussion about Karma, and if someone says its BS, too fuckin bad. If you take your beliefs too seriously that it offends you when someone else thinks its crap to them, then I further the point of why religion is that more anti productive for our society.

If I believed in any religion or belief, and everyone shitted on it, I would defend my point and say, "Hey, if its not your cup of tea, thats fine by me. Doesnt change my thoughts or views."

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m2j
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btw... by "BS" i meant Butter Scotch
mmmmmmmmmm...

but i agree, there is no need to insult any religions or beliefs and again, that was not my intention.

but, I really think people should always step back and consider why they believe in something, instead of just accepting it.


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Misanthrope
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whatever. You could use the same argument for someone who doesn't believe in religion. I.E. "you are a heartless bastard for not having any faith in anything". It doesn't matter, I w ould still be respectful to whatever opinion anyone had without insulting it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Rodrico
Well I am pretty sure this was an open discussion about Karma, and if someone says its BS, too fuckin bad. If you take your beliefs too seriously that it offends you when someone else thinks its crap to them, then I further the point of why religion is that more anti productive for our society.

If I believed in any religion or belief, and everyone shitted on it, I would defend my point and say, "Hey, if its not your cup of tea, thats fine by me. Doesnt change my thoughts or views."



Understood but for the sake of keeping the thread free of flames (because we all know where insults lead) it would be nice if we could have a clean debate about it. One flame free thread on TOTA would be a nice change


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Originally posted by Surreal JRS
As Shanny's sig says: Good things happen to good people!


I am a firm believer in this, hence why it is in my signature.

But I am not a believer in karma. I don't think that by being a good person, somewhere someone is keeping track, making sure that good things will happen to you in return.

I do think that good people bring positive energy and feelings wherever they go. Others pick up on that, and sometimes, not always but sometimes people do nice things to good people because they have seen or experienced them doing nice things to others.

There is nothing better than getting enjoyment out of doing something nice for someone, and in a funny way that almost makes it sound selfish!


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quote:
Originally posted by shanny
But I am not a believer in karma. I don't think that by being a good person, somewhere someone is keeping track, making sure that good things will happen to you in return.

I do think that good people bring positive energy and feelings wherever they go. Others pick up on that, and sometimes, not always but sometimes people do nice things to good people because they have seen or experienced them doing nice things to others.


Agreed with both paragraphs.

Bad things happen to good people too.


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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by b4k-oz
What goes around does come around.

I wanna believe in that more than ever right now


Haha, I hope it does come around hun *hug*

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
for example, if I punch someone in the face, most likely I'd get reactions like a punch back, or the guy crying, or his buddies jumping me. Not stuff like a fat girl jumping on me and making mad love to me which is as random as fuck.


Ahahahaha. I LOLed. I, for one LOVE randomness. I believe in fate and karma...too many coincidences in my life...that and...I believe the Lithuanian Goddess of luck, Laima visited me. True Story.

Taken from my blog...kind of a long read...

quote:

Part 1

So yesterday was one of the most fucked up and weirdest days I've ever had. Besides having 4 ridiculous dreams in a row, and my class being mysteriously cancelled in the last minute, I kind of crossed paths with something unexplainable lol...

I got on the subway at Downsview station, and I usually board on the last car so it was all empty. At the next stop, Wilson, some peculiar looking old woman with eyes as dark as a void boards the train. She stops, and looks around, like she's looking for something in particular. She had this scripture in her hand that looked religious (I couldn't make out the language.) There were plenty of available seats but for some reason she decides to sit next to me. Meanwhile I'm listening to my tunes on my iaudio and she taps me on the shoulder and says "Do you mind if I sit here?" There's really no reason for me to decline, so I nodded. I keep listening to music and she taps me once again without apologizing and says, "You know, you remind me of my dead son..." I twitch for a minute, because her voice sounds really cold and eerie; it didn't help that she had an accent either, but she speaked flawlessly without hesistation. She continues on and says, "..My son used to listen to electronic music as well..." I don't know what freaked me out more: the fact that she knew that I was listening to EDM and knew what it was called...or that her deceased son listened to "electronic" music. I felt really intimidated, but I wasn't going to just get up and sit somewhere else...A couple of stops after she taps me once again...so I decided to just turn off my mp3 player for good until she leaves....

She then says to me, "look at me...Let me look into your eyes...Don't say a single word..." I don't know why I agreed to her requests but I did so. For about 2 minutes or so she stares blankly into my eyes without even blinking!!! She stops and says "I've never seen a world so vast and limitless..." In my mind I'm thinking...yea I know...I'm a freak lol...she then says, "I know 3 things...1. You're an Aquarius. 2. (can'd mention it on here cause it's too personal.) 3. Your worst fear is being iscolated and losing all your friends." All of these things were true, and I was about to say wtf she motions for me not to speak. She wasn't finished..."I know 3 things concerning love...You're still healing from a broken heart.You're in the process of breaking a heart. There is a love that you will never know." I had no clue who she was talking about and my mind was so oblivious to any real thoughts. At this point I'm already sweating and being uncomfortable would be an understatement...

Still being pefectly silent and in awe, she tells me that she will be getting off at the next station...I was expecting her to kill me at that point lol..As she gets up to leave, colour returns to my face and I'm really relieved. But then she turns around and says one last thing..."It was nice talking to you. My name is Laima, and I give you these 3 lines of advice: A new situation to a brave new life. To make it happen you must stand and fight. Take your chances now and don't count the cost..." She sets foot off the train...and I have the most expressionless face ever I then turn on my mp3 player...and continue listening to the playlist at where I left off...Here's the worst part...The next song ends up being a tune I haven't heard in years, and I totally forgot that I put it on my player...In the progression of listening...I quickly take off my headphones...drop my player...and yell out WTF!!! on the train. Everyone looks at me dazed and scared...as my face was probably white as a ghost...and here's why...The song playing was Michael Woods Feat. Imogen Bailey - If You Want Me...These are the lyrics to the song:

You burnt your bridges I can see,
You're like a river flowing free,
Missing something that you never lost,

New situation brave new life,
Make it happen stand and fight,
Take your chances now don't count the cost,

If you're standing accused,
And you're lost and confused,
You don't have to take the blame,

When your lifes rushing by,
You will leave them beside you,
I'll help you to ease the pain,

I know I could, I know I would,
If you want me,
If you let me in I could...

If you want me,
If you let me in I could,

You're runnin' scared I don't know why,
You only see through the naked eye,
If you reach out I will take your hand,

I know you've got your cross to bare,
I'll take the wieght, I'll take my share,
Let me show you how to live again,

If you're standing accused,
And you're lost and confused,
You don't have to take the blame,

When your lifes rushing by,
You will leave them beside you,
I'll help you to ease the pain,

I know I could, I know I would,
If you want me,
If you let me in I could...

WTF!!!!! It was not just one big coincidence...I was totally freaking out, and talking to myself...I was going INSANE. I couldn't think about any logical explanation to this whole incident...and the more I thought, the more my heart would beat. After calming myself down I came to a conclusion that she was some sort of psychic or something...which I don't even believe in...But she didn't tell me the future...everything she said just didn't make sense at all..I kept thinking about her advice, and that led me to listen to the song over and over again on repeat...My mind wasn't focusing properly cause I was still spooked, so I couldn't come up with anything...After sharing my story with my mother and some of my best friends, me and my best friend Cat decided to look up the lyrics to the song...I was right..but that didn't help at all. She suggested to look up the name Imogen since she thought it sounded a bit weird...nothing weird but then I remembered that the woman's name was Laima..and so I searched it on babynames and found nothing...which was weird. So I decided to just google it...and the first site that matched explains how Laima was the name of the lithuanian goddess of luck and fate...WHOA!! were my and her exact words...Like it couldn't get more weirder than this. I even started considering that the woman I met was actually the goddess herself, or some sort of deity of prophet of the goddess.....Yea I know all of this sounds really ridiculous but there's no other logical explanation I could think of. So I spent the whole day analyzing the whole situation.....

Today I got off early from school once again...and I started listening to the song once again on the train. All of sudden an similar old woman walks into the train...I was VERY sure it was the same one, but she was wearing a giant pink hat...I almost wanted to cry...This old woman had the same dark eyes and held a scripture as well. She stopped, looked around (this time the car was occupied by more people but there were still available seats), and she decided to sit beside some african fellow. I was like *phew*...Oh fuck, she's gonna do it to him now. I take off my earphones to hear an announcement, and the driver says something about technical difficulties and a minor delay or what not...I started to get scared again lol...my friends call me and before I get a chance to say "I'm so fucking scared.." it cuts off. I watch the old woman...and she takes off her hat...and I then saw that she had a giant blonde afro?! LOL This was definately not the same woman...I get up and walk by just to make sure...and the woman I saw didn't have the same face she had when she first walked in...I was relieved...and so I thought that I must of been hallucinating...but who knows...it could have been a sign. If this happens to me again on Monday I will seriously go mentally ill...

Fucked up story...and yes its ALL true!!! I've come up with alot of theories and they all revolve around the same idea...Analyzing the song...what she mentioned about love...and what she said about me...I came up with this:

She's trying to give me good luck. She wants me to change my fate. She said there was a love I would never know, and I think she wants me to change that...The song is about me...and how someone is trying to reach out for my love yet I can't even see it. The first paragraph mirrors how I'm an Aquarius, and how I'm unstable and carefree with no limits. Missing something that I've never lost...I'm unsure about this..it could be about a love I thought I lost...or missing someone who I thought I didn't have a chance with...both sound good to me. There will be a new situation that will lead to new beginnings...which must be the love...and I can't just lead it slide by...I need to be brave and go for it...taking the chance with it without thinking about the concenquences first or looking like a fool....Right now I am standing accused because why does this have to happen to me? I am VERY lost and confused like the song says. I take the blame for alot of things...it could refer to me regretting to let her sit there...or taking the blame to losing that one thing I never lost. The rest of the song just talks about that person who I should go for and let into my life. Only see through the naked eye...could refer to possibly someone who likes me that I don't even realize...or maybe someone I liked who I believed didn't like me? I guess I have to analyze the way everyone acts towards me now :S There are many possibilities on who this love could be with...and that just makes me even more confused...and yea that's my story


quote:

Part 2

Ok, so 4 months after being visited by the goddess Laima, I finally put most of the pieces of the puzzle together. For a few months, I haven't really been thinking about her riddle..until last week I don't know why I wasn't reluctant to doing this before, but last week I decided to look up any and every information I can on Laima. It helped drastically, and soon everything started to make sense; everything was coming together.

Most of the infortmation I found was pretty trivial and kind of useless, but bits and pieces were incredibly helpful. Firstly, Laima is believed to have 3 counterparts. She isn't the goddess of fate and luck, THEY are the goddesses of fate and luck: Laima, Dekla, and Karta. They spin the threads of fate, choose when to knit new ones, and when to cut them. Sounds familiar? I love greek mythology, and this is almost exactly the same as the 3 sisters of fate. Apparently many cultures had different variations of the sisters of fate. Anyway, this was pretty eerie, considering that Laima told me 3 different things, with 3 lines each. THREE! I guess that each counterpart told me something...that makes sense. Laima's symbols are cuckoo birds, lime trees, and the numbers 3,5,6,7,9. Again with the 3.... My friend suggested that I remember the date when she visited me...and if you read my earlier blog post, it was posted on Feb 10, which was one day after, making it Feb 9! 9 is one of her symbols, and it's also 3 x 3...3 sisters x 3 pieces of analogy...or 3 pieces of analogy x 3 lines. Freaky eh? I know I was pretty spooked heh.

Also, Father's Day, on Sunday, I went with my family to visit my grandfather's grave. I was exclaiming to my siblings why I couldn't pray, and why I refuse to, because it goes against my agnostic standings towards religion. I also spoke to them about my recent realizations about Laima and the symbols. I told them about the tree, and I looked around at the nearby trees. Not even 5 metres away from my grandfather's grave, one tree stood out from all the rest in view. It faced his grave directly, the leaves were distinctly much greener than the rest, and it seemed very familiar. It hit me... it was a tree VERY similar to a picture I saw of a lime tree...which is one of Laima's symbols. It might not have been a lime tree, but it's features were the same. The height and width of the tree as well as the bark, the shape of the branches, and the light green hue of the leaves. My siblings refused to believe me, and when I got home, I showed them the picture, and I looked at it myself for assurance. It had in fact been a similar tree, with it's only difference being the amount and fullness of leaves. I kept thinking this was a sign of some sort. Was Laima watching over my grandfather's soul? Was Laima trying to tell me something? Am I on the right track? Good luck? Who knows...but it's a good thing, I'll tell you that, because I managed to take one of the leaves for good luck. Currently, it's hardening and crumpling in my room. Once it's hard enough, I'm going to crush it into ash and light it. No, I have not started a new religion, nor am I going to start worshipping Laima lol...it's just something I feel I must do.

Unfortunately, I found no information about an existance of her having a son. I don't know what that means, and it would be really helpful, but ah well... Her son died, but I'm pretty certain that her visit has nothing to do with my death. I had some farfetched ideas that I was either the reincarnation of her son's soul or that maybe I AM her son...LOL...who knows really... I sometimes think that I'm not human, but a son of a goddess? haha that's pretty ridiculous. I have these ideas because why, of all people, would she visit me? I know that her purpose was for me to change my fate. That's really powerful stuff. And it's not even something meaningful...it's about love! Maybe she wants me to achieve what her son didn't? This is why I think the most likely idea would be that I'm a reincarnation of him...but why is there no record of him?! Apparently Laima has 50 sisters, but no brothers, sons, or nephews.

Laima is the goddess of Fate. She controls births, deaths, and marriages. None of those apply to me persay. She is the goddess of Luck...good and bad. I searched for her name on google images, and I found a black and white picture of a woman who lookes EXACTLY like her!!!! Fucking freaky!! The only difference is that she looks much younger than the woman I saw in person. The woman was born in the 50s, and the picture is old, so the timeline sounds about right, considering that the woman who visited me looked liked she was in her mid to late 50s. But how can a 'goddess' live in our century? It could be the reincarnation of her...

I analyzed Laima's words in my earlier blog, but now I know the truth. So in conclusion...I think...no wait...I'm CONFIDENT that I have solved the first part of the riddle:

Laima visited me, told me 3 lines of advice as her 3 counterparts. She wants me to change my destiny, to do what her 'son' didn't. I am destined to never know a love; true love. I have the power to change that, as she exclaims in her 3 lines from the song:

A new situation will lead to a brave new life.
To make it happen, you must stand and fight.
Take your chances nows, and don't count the costs.

Because she is the goddess of births, she wants a new beginning for me. She wants me to change my destiny by fighting, which could mean obstacles, or something else. I need to take my chances and forget about the outcome of my actions. Who is this love? Right now, I am uncertain, but since it has to do with new beginnings, my best guess is that it's someone I dealt with in the past that didn't work out. I have some ideas, and I may be wrong, but I gotta take my chances



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Watch What the Bleep We Know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Frenchie
Fate > Karma


there is no fate. cause if there was everything would alredy be written somewhere, right? so everything that happens in your life would be just like that and you would have no saying in it. and when you look at it that would be really sad.

i like to thing that everything that i do is of my own will and that my future is left for me to designe. good things and bad. especially bad ones lol.


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