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Originally posted by kid nyce fuck all that static above LIVE AND DIE WITH MY YANKEES AND TIMO MAAS BITCHES

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Actually... it seems like you're the one that's bitter. I'm just making a few posts on a message board, you're the one jumping down my throat. Also, Brian Westbrook is the Running Back for the Eagles. I think you meant Jake Westbrook. My point was that it's been quite a while that the Yankees have prodcued an above average major leaguer. You're making it like the Yankees are a player producing machine. And yes... I do want a cookie. You rattled off names in a way that seemed like youre were trying to be "cool" 'cause you know the names of the only 3 Yankee minor leaguers that everyone has heard of because the media hypes them. I could say Pelfrey, Humber, Milledge and it would be the same thing as you just did.

lol, me bitter.. yup.

And yes, I meant Jake Westbrook. My mistake.

You don't think Cano or Wang are above average? Cano finished 3rd in the BA race and Wang tied Santana for 19 wins. Think wins are overrated? Fine, he posted a mid 3 ERA in the toughest division in baseball. Why do you think I'm trying to be "cool" by rattling off players' names? Yeah, I've never seen them play, but I know their stats and keep tabs with the AAA team, but don't go into the AA or A level, although I have attended about 20 SI Yankee games over the past couple of years.

I'll ask again b/c I really want to know - How is keeping track of the future of your team "trying to be cool"?

can i get a little steve balboni and sax please?!?!

pascual perez bitches

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Hmmm... not really. Actually, I think I "complain" about the Yankees less than any other non-Yankee fan on this board. Care to show me where I posted anything hateful towards the Yankees? Again... it seems like you're a bitter Mets-hating Yankees fan. I don't hate the Yankees at all.

Ok fine, I guess I jumped to conclusions. It's just that everytime I mention an OBJECTIVE thing about the Yankees to any Mets fan, they jump into this heated retort about how the Mets stack up in this way and that way, and how we're not better... which is how I took your post to be ... very inferiority complex-y

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Originally posted by chanman7483 lol, me bitter.. yup. And yes, I meant Jake Westbrook. My mistake. You don't think Cano or Wang are above average? Cano finished 3rd in the BA race and Wang tied Santana for 19 wins. Think wins are overrated? Fine, he posted a mid 3 ERA in the toughest division in baseball. Why do you think I'm trying to be "cool" by rattling off players' names? Yeah, I've never seen them play, but I know their stats and keep tabs with the AAA team, but don't go into the AA or A level, although I have attended about 20 SI Yankee games over the past couple of years. I'll ask again b/c I really want to know - How is keeping track of the future of your team "trying to be cool"?

i believe the point is that the yankees were running a few years dry between soriano/johnson and wang/cano. shamus is not trying to discredit what wang and cano have done. but for a little while, maybe 2, 3 years the yankees were looking to free agents and not trying to replenish from within the organization.

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Originally posted by chanman7483 Ok fine, I guess I jumped to conclusions. It's just that everytime I mention an OBJECTIVE thing about the Yankees to any Mets fan, they jump into this heated retort about how the Mets stack up in this way and that way, and how we're not better... which is how I took your post to be ... very inferiority complex-y

not all of us are dumb gits that yell "yankees suck" at the top of our lungs at shea

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Originally posted by trunks1022 i believe the point is that the yankees were running a few years dry between soriano/johnson and wang/cano. shamus is not trying to discredit what wang and cano have done. but for a little while, maybe 2, 3 years the yankees were looking to free agents and not trying to replenish from within the organization.

Totally agreed on that - Now that Cashman is back in the drivers seat(hopefully this continues), I think we'll continue to see player development be a priority - something that not a focus when Steinbrenner and his Tampa Faction were running things and Cashman was nothing more than a puppet.

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Originally posted by chanman7483 lol, me bitter.. yup. And yes, I meant Jake Westbrook. My mistake. You don't think Cano or Wang are above average? Cano finished 3rd in the BA race and Wang tied Santana for 19 wins. Think wins are overrated? Fine, he posted a mid 3 ERA in the toughest division in baseball. Why do you think I'm trying to be "cool" by rattling off players' names? Yeah, I've never seen them play, but I know their stats and keep tabs with the AAA team, but don't go into the AA or A level, although I have attended about 20 SI Yankee games over the past couple of years. I'll ask again b/c I really want to know - How is keeping track of the future of your team "trying to be cool"?

I keep track of the Mets minors as well. Also, Tabata was in low-A, so you do check lower than AAA.

Wins are worthless and yes, I do think Wang is overrated. He's good and I'd take him as a 4th or 5th starter on the Mets, but he strikes out way too few batters for my tastes. Eventually, that has to catch up to him. I'll wait 'till next year.

As for Cano, if he can keep batting .340+, then yeah, he's above-average. The odds of that happening are quite low. And his OBP is horriffic. He's on the Yankees though, so it doesn't quite matter as much as if he were on another team.

Besides all that, I said "before Cano and Wang."

In anycase, how did this turn into a "Mets v. Yankees" thread?

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Originally posted by Shamez214 I keep track of the Mets minors as well. Also, Tabata was in low-A, so you do check lower than AAA. Wins are worthless and yes, I do think Wang is overrated. He's good and I'd take him as a 4th or 5th starter on the Mets, but he strikes out way too few batters for my tastes. Eventually, that has to catch up to him. I'll wait 'till next year. As for Cano, if he can keep batting .340+, then yeah, he's above-average. The odds of that happening are quite low. And his OBP is horriffic. He's on the Yankees though, so it doesn't quite matter as much as if he were on another team. Besides all that, I said "before Cano and Wang." In anycase, how did this turn into a "Mets v. Yankees" thread?

I'm not comparing him to Maddux or Glavine in their prime, but if you were waiting for them to start K'ing guys, then you'd be waiting an awfully long time. And I def don't consistenly check on lower than AAA - no time. I heard his name and did some reading up on him.

Ok fine, let's keep this strictly to a Mets thread....

Jose Reyes was dead last among qualifying NL SS's in range factor

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Originally posted by chanman7483 Jose Reyes was dead last among qualifying NL SS's in range factor

yeah i've definitely seen that in effect... can't move to his left ffs

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Originally posted by chanman7483 I'm not comparing him to Maddux or Glavine in their prime, but if you were waiting for them to start K'ing guys, then you'd be waiting an awfully long time. And I def don't consistenly check on lower than AAA - no time. I heard his name and did some reading up on him. Ok fine, let's keep this strictly to a Mets thread.... Jose Reyes was dead last among qualifying NL SS's in range factor

I don't go by stats like that. I'm more SABR. But I think even with the SABR stats, Reyes was poor. However... he's 23.

Also, it wasn't until last year that Jeter was anything but a horrendous SS.

Glavine averaged 132 Ks a season over his career. Maddux averaged 159 a season. Wang had 76 this year.

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*can't imagine it feelin' much better...
i wish it would just last forever.
and so, to feel like that?
i'd pay any price just to get that back.*