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| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
As much as I respect you, i don't think you've done your reading...
I mean, it's already been mentioned that this is the reason why a lot of the Hip-Hop artists out there use Instrumentals before mixing in the vocals...
speaking of which.... how can you accurately throw on an ACapella on top of an instrumental... do you have to have the tracks... "beatmatched", or playing at the same speed, so to speak? (In RnB/Hip-Hop) |
Don't worry Abhay, I can handle healthy discussion as much as the next man... 
I hear you, but don't agree. My initial post was not aimed at you personally for starting the thread, just the fact that you have people who aren't totally clued up totally and are stating that things are harder than they are... and this goes for both genres.
You mention digitization.
But keep in mind that digitized beats is a more resent development in the history of music and Hip Hop has been around for longer than I have been alive so a lot of the good 'real' Hip Hop will not benefit from this technology.
Any Hip Hop DJ worth his salt will own stacks of old Hip Hop which does suffer from this issue. Speaking from personal experience I was both a Hip Hop DJ and turntablist in the 80s and 90s. That's why the Electro side of it was much easier to work with. The electro was always easier as it was created with drum machines as indeed the Hip in about 85 went through a phase of the same type of rythm structure. Around the time Public Enemy came out (late 86ish) that all changed and samplers started being used more. Although in this period the human drummer factor was still an issue as the samples were still not digitized.
As Sampling technology has improved it does become easier to deal with. But you do also get a lot of groups who have gone away from the idea of loops and started using real drums too which again introduces the problem that I mentioned about human drummers.
Edit - It's also worth remembering that the samplers of that time were crude devices and this goes for even the top of the range EMU-SP1200 which did not give the option of wave editing as we know it so the drum loops were defianatly not as tight.
If you listen to various different styles within the genre you will also notice that some depend specifically on having loops that arent actually cut in the right place so you get an off tempo style sound. Typical Wu-Tang trait.
Things like Beatmunging and applications like Re-Cycle have made a large difference, as has time stretching technology etc.
But also remember that a lot of producers in Hip Hop don't use it as they feel that it damages the flow of the sample and would rather deal with this than a less soulfull sample.
It does depend on the production ideology used by the producers but it does vary greatly, so I conceed in that aspect that it may not be a problem these days... only problem is that I can't personally stand the new Hip Hop... well Rap actually as Hip Hop is technically the collective term for Rapping, Scratching, Breakin, and Graffiti.
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Accapellas...
With regards to the question about accapellas. If the Accapella is from the same source then it would in theory go at the same speed as the instrumental. The only thing you have to watch out for with some is that the pauses don't always correspond to the length of the instrumental breaks in the vocal version.
But even if you start with the instrumental you don't necessarilly have to use the accapella, you can cut in the vocal but just juggle it in or use cut backs.
Or just hit the stop button and drop the Pharoah Monche - Simon Says intro.
| quote: | | WEll, RnB DJs I know claiming that trance is easy and requires no skill, and is over respected... And everyone i know (that doesn't DJ) agreeing that RnB must surely be harder... |
I agree, that would anoy me too as they clearly don't know what it takes to be good edm DJs (or probably don't). Simple test is just to let them put their money where their mouth is and make them mix edm.
And they say it's over respected.... hmmmm this is where tune selection comes into it. It's not your skill as a DJ that defines you it's what you do with your music. Your skill is secondary. That is in most cases what makes the greats great. And I bet you this is true even for RnB.
The art of beatmatching isn't a hard skill to learn, and genre is not important as the fundamentals are the same, but as you don't practice with a particular style of music you are not going to be as aware if the intricacies.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Ricky H
So that means that the "proper" way of mixing trance is wait till the last 32 bars of the trance song and overlap it with the first 32 bars of the incoming song. Isn't that the proper way to mix trance?...yes and no.....yes, meaning that the way trance is structured this would be the proper way to mix, no, meaning that there is no creativity.
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Not sure if you are stating that this is how we do it because it's the only option available to us and follow this blindly and have no creativity as a result, or you are stating that if we following this it would be boring but we should break the rules?
In the case of the later I agree, it's all about creativity. If you are refering to the former then I disagree with you and would state that you haven't understood the art of DJing, but as I said I am not entirely sure what you mean.
Sure it does tend to follow a certain partern but so does Rap and RnB. Virtually all western music does, but it's the DJs job to understand it and then use it creatively and then ulitmately break the rules, I'm sure you probably agree.
Cheers
Nem
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Last edited by Nemesis44 on Oct-19-2006 at 12:56
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