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Originally posted by erdega invasion and occupation on false premises

you really need to lose this several years old talking point if you want to be taken seriously.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you really need to lose this several years old talking point if you want to be taken seriously.

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its like so yesterday

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Originally posted by Q5echo is English a second laguage (seriously, we get people from all over here) or do you not know what advocate means? you never answered my question. just American contractors? so you want to see all contractors killed, no matter nationality, if they refuse to leave Iraq?

If they continue to support invasion and occupation for the economic and geo political benefit of Washington and London and based on lies and propaganda, then they are a fair game and it doesn't matter where they are from. If those nations will not hold their leaders responsible then it's up to iraqis to do it through resistance

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Originally posted by Q5echo you really need to lose this several years old talking point if you want to be taken seriously.

Bush and Bliar would have never admit to lying for interest of invading, kllling and occupying far away lands for their geo political and economic interest however skewed they are . However they personally haven't been punished yet and are looking to get away with murder, they don't care about volunteers that died for their lies and aggression

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r So you're just going to ignore the questions regarding why you're circulating those video then aren't you? Typical... So everything was just peachy before the big "Americana-Nazi-invasion-of-2003" huh? Dood, for someone who appears to be on the Iraqis peoples side, you're doing one hell of a lousy job convincing anyone else. All we get is extremist propaganda and what? We're supposed to deduce....what? That you enjoy watching Western soldiers die? Is the 'underdog' standing up to 'Goliath' and because of a few snuff videos, they're 'winning'? Am I supposed to feel sorry for the extremists? Outraged? What? What? What???? This isn't an Iraqi vs. American thing. Terrorism is happening all over the world and just about all have common thread; a sick, extremist ideology that warps Islam. When I start seeing stuff go down in MY backyard here in Canada, there is something really wrong in this world that transcends anti-Americanism. Extremist Jihad does not care who the target is as long as they win.

I had a really fine answer to you last night but forum was down and it got erased so I can't be bothered much now.

All I will say that this form of Islam did not become overnight but was quiet often used by Americans/Brits to further their geo political interests . It's just that groups like al qaida grew too powerful and turned back on their masters. They underestimated their intentions .

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Originally posted by erdega I have talked to some iraqis and most of them say that there was no known difference between shia/sunni before USA/British invaded. When they did, they kicked out all the sunnis from jobs, opened the border with Iraq to bring more shias , most of the police and government is iranian or iranian sponsored and kurds were given land for free.This created clear divisions. That's when sunnis rebelled and struck back .

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Sorry mate thats alot of shit, the number of Iraqis dying is as I said 50-100 that of the troops. It isn't the troops doing it so it must be Iraqi on Iraqi....

Also the whole country of "Iraq" (note: "" as in the loose connection) has been fighting for nearly thousands of years (I could explain but it would take ages to) so your Iraqi friends must have been taking the piss, sorry.

The question of weather a unitied Iraq is best arises but that isn't your point is it?

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Originally posted by Dervish [note beeen out tonight sorry for the language] Sorry mate thats alot of shit, the number of Iraqis dying is as I said 50-100 that of the troops. It isn't the troops doing it so it must be Iraqi on Iraqi.... Also the whole country of "Iraq" (note: "" as in the loose connection) has been fighting for nearly thousands of years (I could explain but it would take ages to) so your Iraqi friends must have been taking the piss, sorry. The question of weather a unitied Iraq is best arises but that isn't your point is it?

My point is that Anglo American invaders and imperialists wanted to divide up a country to rule it and exploit it geo politically and economically , along with their overwhelming firepower. Saddam, Nuclear bombs and Al Qaida were convenenient excuses but very ignorant and false ones and in this case ignorance is not an excuse.
They wanted to get away with lies and murder while repressing native people but instead they got the hell for it. The best Iraq is the one where occupiers are repulsed and liars who inspired slaughter put to trial at best

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Originally posted by erdega My point is that Anglo American invaders and imperialists wanted to divide up a country to rule it and exploit it geo politically and economically , along with their overwhelming firepower. Saddam, Nuclear bombs and Al Qaida were convenenient excuses but very ignorant and false ones and in this case ignorance is not an excuse. They wanted to get away with lies and murder while repressing native people but instead they got the hell for it. The best Iraq is the one where occupiers are repulsed and liars who inspired slaughter put to trial at best

Apparently you missed 10,000,000 people (~67% of the electoral vote) or so that VOTED...?

Or do you think that was a farce too, with a now, 'puppet government' in power...
How does one put a 'puppet government' in power with 10,000,000 people voting freely??

I mean, it's brought up a lot in arguments but I have yet to read one explanation on HOW that feat is accomplished.
The masterminding behind that must be astounding!

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Originally posted by erdega If they continue to support invasion and occupation for the economic and geo political benefit of Washington and London and based on lies and propaganda, then they are a fair game and it doesn't matter where they are from. If those nations will not hold their leaders responsible then it's up to iraqis to do it through resistance

gee theres just about every country in the industrialized world doing business in Iraq just like they do business in Kuwait just like they do business in Egypt just like they do business in Jordan just like they do business in Iran.

if you consider the above ^^ as fact, then maybe you should consider that YOU may have fallen for some propaganda, not the rest of us.

do you want to see and post videos of foriegn contractors being murdered in Jordan?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Apparently you missed 10,000,000 people (~67% of the electoral vote) or so that VOTED...? Or do you think that was a farce too, with a now, 'puppet government' in power... How does one put a 'puppet government' in power with 10,000,000 people voting freely??

It is truly awesome isnt it?I mean to have another Islamic regime like Iran,I mean thats why Iraq got invaded in the first place right?to remove the evil dictator and replace it with a Islamic regime/


p.s. Stop saying they "voted freely" they didnt they were gettting blown up as they were voting so how is that free?and where did this so called voting freely got them today?


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Originally posted by Q5echo gee theres just about every country in the industrialized world doing business in Iraq just like they do business in Kuwait just like they do business in Egypt just like they do business in Jordan just like they do business in Iran.

Isnt it ironic that all those countries that you mentioned have oil?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer p.s. Stop saying they "voted freely" they didnt they were gettting blown up as they were voting so how is that free?and where did this so called voting freely got them today?

Yea, they were getting blown up BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE and STILL they voted.

This notion of nothing is happening just being it's not all flowers and rose petals right now, at this very moment, is very indicative of someone who has no clue of how long the whole process is going to take. There is A LOT of work to be done and it's going to take time.
In this land of instant meals and immediate satisfaction, I guess that reaction shouldn't be surprising.
After 30 years of being under a repressive dictatorship, lets cut the Iraqi people some slack shall we?
It has nothing to do with the Americans holding them back; quite the contrary.
If the Americans were that worried about how the vote would turn out, why didn't they desolve the Iraqi government before the vote and just install their own people?
Oh wait, you're probably one of those that think the current leader they chose is a puppet, I forgot, sorry!
Farbeit for me to actually believe the Iraqi people actually want freedom from repression.
I mean, who'd want that?

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