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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy LOL, c'mon, just because we don't see eye-to-eye on everything doesn't mean I'm posting these up to refute your arguments. I think the current state of US civil liberties is in pretty poor shape.

Yeah, which is why I quickly added the edit . But you're right, this f'n suck!

EDIT: And everyone else should be up in arms about it too. Our generation really f'n disappoints me.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Muslims face 'serious prejudice' Members of London's Muslim community are "disproportionately" victims of hate crimes, a report from the mayor's office has claimed. Mayor Ken Livingstone said that as one in every 12 Londoners were Muslims, they faced "serious discrimination and prejudice". The report, Muslims in London, also said that the community has the lowest rates of employment. The report aims to "combat ignorance and Islamophobia", Mr Livingstone said. High unemployment There are 706,000 Muslims in the city, of which 40% were born in the UK (according to the 2001 census). In 2005-2006, there were more than 1,000 religiously aggravated attacks reported in the capital, which is a 87% increase since the previous year, the report said. "Muslims in London face serious discrimination and prejudice... Muslims are disproportionately victims of religiously aggravated crime, more so than any other faith," Mr Livingstone said. The community also has the highest levels of unemployment, 42% in the 16-24 age group, compared with the 60% of the general population. The report recommended public bodies should investigate direct and indirect cases of discrimination and improve Muslim representation in the government. The mayor said: "I hope this report will increase understanding between communities and combat some of the ignorance, prejudice and Islamophobia stirred up by some sections of the media." Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), and the report's co-author, said it documented "the needs of the community and identifies policy initiatives. The report is a role model for other major cities".

Source: BBC

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z

Do you know the numbers for these types of incidents in the US? It seems to me that the numbers for large cities, like New York, Washington DC, L.A., etc. would be lower than the numbers we're getting from London.

The question is how does this play out in the more rural areas of the UK? Is the discrimination worse or better than the cities. In the US, I think it's higher, particularly because many here don't know anything about them. In the cities, most are likely to have interaction with arabs, thus lowering the level of discrimination. It doesn't seem like that's happening in London from this report.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Do you know the numbers for these types of incidents in the US? It seems to me that the numbers for large cities, like New York, Washington DC, L.A., etc. would be lower than the numbers we're getting from London.

I don't remember the source anymore and I'm working on a project rightnow, so this is just a quick response. It disproportinately increased in the US after 9-11. Back in late 2002/early 2003 or so, there was a statistic that reported an increase of over %200. I'm sure if you google you can find somthing alot more specific and up to date.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy The question is how does this play out in the more rural areas of the UK? Is the discrimination worse or better than the cities. In the US, I think it's higher, particularly because many here don't know anything about them. In the cities, most are likely to have interaction with arabs, thus lowering the level of discrimination. It doesn't seem like that's happening in London from this report.

I haven't looked into that. Based on experience, since I live in Texas, it's obviously alot worse in rural areas. I wouldn't dare travel alone there and I wouldn't rule out getting lynched.

Here's a quick google result from BBC:

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US Muslims suffer backlash Hate crimes against Arabs and Muslims in the United States increased by 1,700% in 2001, according to crime statistics compiled by the FBI. Human Rights Watch has criticised US authorities for not doing enough to stem the backlash following the 11 September attacks. Muslims and Arabs have faced a backlash after other events linked to the Middle East in the last two decades, the group said, calling on the authorities to take steps to head off such violence in the future. Rise in hate crimes In 2000, the FBI received reports of 28 hate crimes against Muslims and Arabs in the US. In 2001, that number increased to 481. Local statistics demonstrate even further the dramatic rise in hate crimes against Arabs and Muslims. In Chicago, the police department reported only four anti-Muslim or anti-Arab hate crimes during the year 2000, but in just three months - September-November 2001 - there were 51 such crimes reported. A US Justice Department study found that an estimated 75% of hate crimes go unreported, said Amardeep Singh of Human Rights Watch. The hate crimes included the murder of at least three people. Balbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Sikh and father of three, was killed as he planted flowers at his gas station four days after the 11 September attacks. Police said that the alleged killer bragged at a local bar that he was going to "kill the ragheads responsible for 11 September". Abusive chants Assaults and attacks on places of worship were widespread. On 12 September 2001, 100 police officers stopped an angry mob as they marched on a mosque in Bridgeview Illinois. The mob shouted slogans such as "Arabs go home" and hurled abuse at passers-by who looked Muslim or Arab. Human Rights Watch says that authorities should have seen the backlash coming and done more to prevent crimes against Muslims and Arabs. Constant targets This is not the first time that hate crimes against Muslims has increased. Middle Easterners experienced a backlash after the Iran Hostage Crisis, the Gulf War and after the 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City. Although Timothy McVeigh was eventually arrested for the 1995 attack, early reports linked the attack to Middle Eastern men. Conspiracy theorists are still trying to link the bombing with Arab terrorists. "Government officials didn't sit on their hands while Muslims and Arabs were attacked after September 11, but law enforcement and other government agencies should have been better prepared for this kind of onslaught," Mr Singh said. He also accused the US Government of sending mixed messages in trying to head off a violent backlash. "The concern is that while the government is pounding the pulpit of tolerance with the right hand, that with the left hand it is pushing aside very American traditions of equality," Mr Singh said. While members of the government including President Bush made very public statements of support for Muslim-Americans, the government focussed its anti-terrorism efforts on Arabs and Muslims. Those anti-terrorism measures included secret detentions and deportations. Quick to act But the report also had what appeared to be welcome exceptions. Some 30% of the population of Dearborn Michigan are immigrants from the Middle East. Police and city officials have worked to reach out to the Middle Eastern population there after a racially charged incident at the high school in 1995 that led to a Justice Department investigation, said Police Chief Greg Guibord. Relations improved as a result, and the city hosts an annual festival celebrating Arabic culture. Immediately in the wake of the 11 September attacks, city officials met with representatives from the Arab community. They were concerned about their safety. Extra patrols were added near mosques and Arab neighbourhoods. Chief Guibord went on record saying that members of the Arab-American community were not the people responsible for the attacks. "Just because people are from a certain race doesn't make them guilty," he said. And he added: "There was a statement made by this community that we are not going to tolerate any type of violence in any form." The community did not experience a rise in hate crimes. But he says that this was the result of years of dialogue between city leaders and the Arab community. And he added it might be difficult in areas where Muslims formed a much smaller part of the community.

Source: BBC

Ok, that's alot more than what I thought it was. Here's another link if you want to check it out:

Human Rights Watch

Time to get back to Reed-Solomon codes.

EDIT: In my own experiecen, and this is in Austin, I've had tons of racial slurs yelled at me by dick head frat boys in their pick up like "Die sand******!" and got sprayed with ketchup. This happened in 2003 I think and I was stoned and it was way to late for me to immediately acknowledge what the hell happened. The bastards drove off before I it even had a chance to register. No, I didn't report it. Don't really see the point in doing that if I can't identify who did it (they were in a pick up and it was about 2 am).

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Last edited by shaolin_Z on Oct-24-2006 at 21:35

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: In my own experiecen, and this is in Austin, I've had tons of racial slurs yelled at me by dick head frat boys in their pick up like "Die sand******!" and got sprayed with ketchup. This happened in 2003 I think and I was stoned and it was way to late for me to immediately acknowledge what the hell happened. The bastards drove off before I it even had a chance to register. No, I didn't report it. Don't really see the point in doing that if I can't identify who did it (they were in a pick up and it was about 2 am).

Sorry to hear about that, but I'm not surprised. I was living at home with my parents in rural Pennsylvania between college and when I started my job and moved here, during the lead-up to the Iraq War. The things I heard people say at the local bars at night when I'd be sitting there... I'd have conversations about news events at first, then eventually, I just gave up, because I got tired of listening to people talking about how we should just go over and kill all those sandn*****s because of what they did on 9/11. I don't think I really have to elaborate about the response I got the first time I replied that the Iraqis weren't the ones that attacked us on 9/11.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

The thing is that less than 15% of the world's population is white. The rise of Nazis's is no surprise because when was tha last time you've seen a white get along with a black

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z In my own experiecen, and this is in Austin, I've had tons of racial slurs yelled at me by dick head frat boys in their pick up like "Die sand******!" and got sprayed with ketchup. This happened in 2003 I think and I was stoned and it was way to late for me to immediately acknowledge what the hell happened. The bastards drove off before I it even had a chance to register. No, I didn't report it. Don't really see the point in doing that if I can't identify who did it (they were in a pick up and it was about 2 am).

Ohh you poor boy Try having to fight off four neo nazis'. They got their ass whoped, but you never know what might have happened as a result of me beating the crap out of them. They picked on me b/c I was by myself and that is the way things are. Haters don't ever act alone. They act in groups.

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US Bars Entry to 3rd Prominent Muslim in Past Week And finally, another prominent Muslim has been barred from entering the United States. Adam Habib, executive director of the Democracy and Governance Research Program for South Africa's Human Sciences Research Council, flew into New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport last weekend. He says he was detained for several hours and questioned about his views on terrorism. US border agents eventually cancelled his visa and put him on a return flight to Johannesburg. Habib was part of a South African delegation that came for meetings with the World Bank, the National Institutes of Health, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Habib is at least the third known prominent Muslim to be barred entry in the last week, following Fazlur Rahman Azmi of South Africa and Kamal Helbawy of Britain.

Source: DemocracyNow

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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GOP Rep. Refuses to Apologize for Anti-Muslim Comments Back in the United States, a Republican Congressmember is refusing to apologize over anti-Muslim comments earlier this month. In a letter to constituents, Congressmember Virgil Goode of Virginia wrote he fears an influx of Muslim immigration and warned of the possible election of more Muslim congressmembers like Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison. On Wednesday, a spokesperson told CNN Goode stands by his comments and will not issue an apology.

Source: Democracy Now

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

UK is very different from US.. its very tense situation their right now, and things will only get worse for UK.. their is a large number of Muslims who are very traditional and conservative from countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan living in UK and the number is large.. British born Muslims feel betrayed and this 'war on terror' has made them second hand citizens.. they are young and they dont know what they did.. and they wont sit quite for long. Among all the 'ally' countries UK is most vulnerable right now.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid The rise of Nazis's is no surprise because when was tha last time you've seen a white get along with a black

Huh? Plenty of whites and blacks get along. You've never seen black and whites hanging out together on college campuses, or at parties/clubs, or work offices, or at department stores, or playing sports together, or living in the same neighborhoods?

There's even some black Jews in Israel from Ethiopia, and Israelis get along with them just fine.

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Originally posted by CHRles Huh? Plenty of whites and blacks get along. You've never seen black and whites hanging out together on college campuses, or at parties/clubs, or work offices, or at department stores, or playing sports together, or living in the same neighborhoods? There's even some black Jews in Israel from Ethiopia, and Israelis get along with them just fine.

Ok. It was an overexaggeration. I just get upset because of some of the people at my school. They are so racist against anybody who isn't white. And I just don't get why people are like that. We are all human beings, why can't we just see beyond the skin color and see what makes us all similar.