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Originally posted by Lilith Funny thing is, today he said 'sorry' too China. Which either means he's one of three things. Probably not sorry A complete fruitcake An attention whore Or a little bit of all three.

Kim said sorry because Chinese were telling how NK was creating instability in the region. Chinese probably said, if you'll continue with this, we'll cut off all aid to you. And probably there were some assurances given that China will help NK if USA attacks or something. So NK just did the right thing and said sorry.

Though NK should rightfully give up its nuclear program in any case ;-)

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How about this just being a bunch of crap for the US of A administration to try and use it as a reason why republicans should be the dominant party in congress and the senate. The republicans just want to take away the rest of our freedom.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid How about this just being a bunch of crap for the US of A administration to try and use it as a reason why republicans should be the dominant party in congress and the senate. The republicans just want to take away the rest of our freedom.

You know why the freedoms will coontinually be lost? Because:

first of all, we are all to conditioned into this western business society, so filled in it, we dont have time to look around and say WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING, because everyone is preoccupied with work, family life, bills, personal life. People are taught in schools to not-to-give-a-fuck and make the best life for yourself as possible.

secondly, these greedy government and business interests, who work hand in hand with SS, they slowly take a freedom at a time from people. They see a few protests here and there, but nothing much comes out of it. They assure us that its for our own good. They'll keep doing it because people are NOT doing anything about it. And the ones that do pose a serious threat, the ones who get in the way are put away or media-bashed and "debunked". Its smart strategy. No point in rooting out the problem, just use media to twist the truth.

So I expect a fascist dictatorship in USA by 2050. Before it officially commenses, before a bit at a time that its citizens will find it normal to miss some freedoms, one at a time, to the point where there are plenty of laws to shut down the constitution (to make it pointless because so many laws have been passed that are crossing it), when people are conditioned enough to accept a dictatorship, thats when governments will overnight establish the dictatorship.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium ... Though NK should rightfully give up its nuclear program in any case ;-)

Don't see any reason why they should do it so.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You know why the freedoms will coontinually be lost? Because: first of all, we are all to conditioned into this western business society, so filled in it, we dont have time to look around and say WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING, because everyone is preoccupied with work, family life, bills, personal life. People are taught in schools to not-to-give-a-fuck and make the best life for yourself as possible. secondly, these greedy government and business interests, who work hand in hand with SS, they slowly take a freedom at a time from people. They see a few protests here and there, but nothing much comes out of it. They assure us that its for our own good. They'll keep doing it because people are NOT doing anything about it. And the ones that do pose a serious threat, the ones who get in the way are put away or media-bashed and "debunked". Its smart strategy. No point in rooting out the problem, just use media to twist the truth. So I expect a fascist dictatorship in USA by 2050. Before it officially commenses, before a bit at a time that its citizens will find it normal to miss some freedoms, one at a time, to the point where there are plenty of laws to shut down the constitution (to make it pointless because so many laws have been passed that are crossing it), when people are conditioned enough to accept a dictatorship, thats when governments will overnight establish the dictatorship.

I like the first part, I'm 100% agree with it.
The Westerners are so tightly connected with their way of life, with the values they think are true, so whoever will have a course to defy them will be condemn.

But, the second part of your remark is complete bullshit. People were coming to the US all over the world, because this country was created to be free. To give a shit on the person's society status.
Though, if you will take a look on its history you will find the same moods back to 60s. But as you see nothing has substantially changed since than.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So I expect a fascist dictatorship in USA by 2050. Before it officially commenses, before a bit at a time that its citizens will find it normal to miss some freedoms, one at a time, to the point where there are plenty of laws to shut down the constitution (to make it pointless because so many laws have been passed that are crossing it), when people are conditioned enough to accept a dictatorship, thats when governments will overnight establish the dictatorship.

Or history could repeat itself, and we have a situation like the end of republican rule of the Roman Empire by Caesar.

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Originally posted by star-traveller He is a cool guy, just look at him on this photo

lol


There was this news today that NK has apologised for testing nukes and regrets it.

I think we all agree that NK is the cheapest country of all in this planet.. first they test it and than they apologise in two days.. wtf is wrong with them..

They keep begging all the time.. for fertilisers, cloths, cold drinks?

Hell some African nations are more poorer but their country heads have some dignity.

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NK can be easily defeated militarily by SK. What needs to be asked is who wants him to remain in power?Perhaps its SS or MIC, I don't know. It just seems silly to keep some one so oppressive in power for so long without having a reason.

I doubt that the NK regime can be EASILY defeated by SK, but its defeatable. NK placed too much propaganda and brainwashed their people that it wont be easy to break. In urban areas that is. In the poor rural areas and slums, people will easily be moved over. But its just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I doubt that the NK regime can be EASILY defeated by SK, but its defeatable. NK placed too much propaganda and brainwashed their people that it wont be easy to break. In urban areas that is. In the poor rural areas and slums, people will easily be moved over. But its just my opinion.

You can't forget that the Japanese also had the same kind of resolve back in world war II. they were willing to send thousands on kamikaze missions, and surrender islands only after 99% of them were killed. look at them now, all westernized. south korea is just over the border, also westernized, china has opened up to some western ideals, and would much rather remain out of the north korea equation, because it gets in the way of china's huge economic boom. Russia, also the same. North Korea can become like that.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: You can't forget that the Japanese also had the same kind of resolve back in world war II. they were willing to send thousands on kamikaze missions, and surrender islands only after 99% of them were killed. look at them now, all westernized. south korea is just over the border, also westernized, china has opened up to some western ideals, and would much rather remain out of the north korea equation, because it gets in the way of china's huge economic boom. Russia, also the same. North Korea can become like that.

Well, one country after another, when defeated is eventually converted to its ways ... if Japan would've won, then we'd be living in a world Nazi / dictatorship society, probably with German as world language.

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