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Arksun
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Originally posted by Floorfiller
you know i see all these trance producers coming out of the wood work saying "it's a different melody...don't pursue it", but i wonder how many of them actually know the legal process in regards to something like this. most likely they are just trying to convince you not to pursue their friend in court. if you think you have a case...i say talk to a lawyer about it and see what they say. they'll tell you if they think you can win or not...don't take the word of a bunch of friends of the person that ripped you off.


and i don't think it's a coincidence that this track is being released on a label that you sent a demo too. that's bullshit. what a clown. all of this he changed a note so it's his own crap is ridiculous in this thread. stop trying to cover for leon when he clearly ripped this dude off. even if it's something that this guy can't win for...you guys are all dicks for encouraging this sorta stuff among producers. if any of your tunes magically showed up like this, especially on a label that turned you down for a release, you'd all be on here pissing and moaning about it too...

good luck to you paul.


He sent it to SEVERAL LABELS!!

If I make a demo track, send it to 10 labels, chances are that ONE release from just one of those labels within the next 12 months will have ONE sound only in a track that kinda sounds like one from my demo with a similar feeling, ish. SHOCK HORROR!... not.

There is no conspiracy here. Go ahead and waste the money on a lawyer he will point out the blidingly obivous, they're nowhere near close enough. I hear closer similarities between tracks every day, and those people don't sue. why? because this is what happens when there's only 12 different notes in a scale to play with, sometimes they sound similar.

Really this has made me mad, for this guy to spam this many forums with this rubbish and have people actually believing it!.

Of course stealing is wrong, but stealing music is as bad as those who lie about something being stolen when it isn't, possibly tarnishing the good name of a producer who is honest and works hard in their career to get to where they are.

It's easy to assume that the 'little guy' is always right, in this case, he isn't.


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Floorfiller
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well i'm not gonna look down at the guy for starting a thread because i'm sure if he'd had contacted you directly it woulda been the same response and brushed off. is it professional? not really, but doesn't seem like there are very many professional people in trance music these days to begin with as we've had a lot of similar threads by a lot of professional producers/djs to the same effect on here. the biggest issue here is this guy thinks you ripped him off. i'm no copyright expert...i'm just saying if he feels like he got cheated some way...then he should look into it and not let a bunch of producers that are your friends convince him not to.

could just be a terrible coincidence who knows...not for me to say. but i can understand his frustration. they do sound pretty similar. if that's just because of the patch bank or whatever...who knows.

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start your own "netlabel", and put out your own work.

lol @ the trance producers gone legal experts on the matter


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breakaholic
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quote:
Originally posted by Arksun
There is no conspiracy here. Go ahead and waste the money on a lawyer he will point out the blidingly obivous, they're nowhere near close enough. I hear closer similarities between tracks every day, and those people don't sue. why? because this is what happens when there's only 12 different notes in a scale to play with, sometimes they sound similar.

Really this has made me mad, for this guy to spam this many forums with this rubbish and have people actually believing it!.


Yeah, handle these things civilialized people. I understand if original poster is new to music business and feel that he is ripped off, you want to shout all it out. But this clearly looks now there were no truth behind the story. You should have emailed label and original artist first. Now only thing you did, was damage to your own name and UNNECESSARY damage to Leons.

Take a lesson.


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And I don't know Leon personally so this isn't a friend defending him.


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LeonB
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Originally posted by Floorfiller
well i'm not gonna look down at the guy for starting a thread because i'm sure if he'd had contacted you directly it woulda been the same response and brushed off. is it professional? not really, but doesn't seem like there are very many professional people in trance music these days to begin with as we've had a lot of similar threads by a lot of professional producers/djs to the same effect on here. the biggest issue here is this guy thinks you ripped him off. i'm no copyright expert...i'm just saying if he feels like he got cheated some way...then he should look into it and not let a bunch of producers that are your friends convince him not to.

could just be a terrible coincidence who knows...not for me to say. but i can understand his frustration. they do sound pretty similar. if that's just because of the patch bank or whatever...who knows.

like i said. He shouldve contacted us, and not putting out this shit about me, cliff and intuition on the internet.

Really man, why should i even bother copying this kinda melody like this and get this shit poured out over me?

like i tried to explain on trance.nu, its kind of a joke, we just hit the keyboard and within 10 seconds we had this chord progression. Plain and simple, we wanted this to contrast with the techy beats and the oldschool feel of the track.

and i didnt hear his track anyway, menno/paul are a&r managers for intuition, but they wont bother to send me any tracks they turned down, why should they.

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Push2005
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Take it to court if you want to

Some guy from here got rich by pursuing Madonna, because she (or her producers) used some samples of him in the track 'frozen'. That was 5 years after it's release.

Anything these producerfriends said until now is bull; and floorfiller has a point.

I'm not taking sides here, the choise is all up to the topicstarter

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quote:
Originally posted by Push2005
Take it to court if you want to

Some guy from here got rich by pursuing Madonna, because she (or her producers) used some samples of him in the track 'frozen'. That was 5 years after it's release.

Anything these producerfriends said until now is bull; and floorfiller has a point.

I'm not taking sides here, the choise is all up to the topicstarter

is this bull?
pauls melody


leons melody

not quite similar is it?

and the fact that Leon is not an a&r at intuition, so he'd never heard the track before isn't bull either? come be logical here.


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Floorfiller
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see now that is convincing. i'd like to see what the thread starter thinks of that because i think he might be oweing leon an apology...

sorry leon...i believe you...

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Arksun
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quote:
Originally posted by Push2005
Take it to court if you want to

Anything these producerfriends said until now is bull;

I'm not taking sides here


No not taking sides at all

Everything I've written has been based in simple logic and fact that anyone could understand, try reading and digesting the information on those posts before making such silly posts, than assuming the worst.

If you fail to understand all the reasons given then I feel sorry for you.

I'm doing Paul a favour here, if he takes it to court, not only will he lose (because he has no case), he'll be broke from the lawyers fees and on top of that, no label will touch him after that, not one.


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lol this thread is great


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