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Originally posted by dallastar I hope that wasn't why they hung up on your Jay!

LOL

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

The 407 is a life/sanity saver.

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Originally posted by lexxwolfen The 407 is a life/sanity saver.

until the fucked up bill arrives.... LOL

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 until the fucked up bill arrives.... LOL

Unless you dont have a transponder, the bill isnt that much... unless you use the 407 twice a day, everyday.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Your rates here are high because you're young. See we charge premium based on risk... you are a greater risk then a 50 year old married woman. In Quebec everyone pays the same for liability coverage. So, while now you're paying more most people making the same move from Quebec to Ontario would come out ahead because they are being overcharged in Quebec.

When i left quebec, I was at $400 a year for insurance. Here I started at $2200.

For my current car, I would have to be 60 years old to get a premium of $600 a year in Ontario..


That means Id be overpaying for 38 years....to finally get a rate that is still higher than what I was paying....

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Originally posted by lexxwolfen Unless you dont have a transponder, the bill isnt that much... unless you use the 407 twice a day, everyday.

u obviously didnt read my initial post.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by devnull When i left quebec, I was at $400 a year for insurance. Here I started at $2200. For my current car, I would have to be 60 years old to get a premium of $600 a year in Ontario.. That means Id be overpaying for 38 years....to finally get a rate that is still higher than what I was paying....

Its like comparing apples and beer....the two systems are very different and yet also very similar....Quebec has a true no fault system...Ontario has a no-fault system as well however you still can sue for pain and suffering as long as you meet the verbal theshold and even then there is a $30,000.00 deductible for anything you are awarded. In ontario, your medical, weekly benefit (Income Replacement, Caregiver Benefit, or Non-Earner Benefit), housekeeping, attendant care, cost of examinations, rehabilitation, vocational training, and many other things are covered by your own insurance (its called Accident Benefits).....which is somewhat similar to SAAQ.

Break Down your Policy here and see exactly how much you pay for each coverage and compare that to the cost of the same coverages in Quebec....overall....they probably are not that different.

I saved about $600/yr on my car by moving from Yonge/Sheppard to Aurora.

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People are forgetting that Toronto's population is still expanding - rapidly.

The 407 is the only private (toll) road in the entire city.

Rising prices reflect rising demand. Virtually every single other road and highway in Toronto is jammed from 7 am to 9 pm. The reasons for that are simple enough, although unfortunately those with the power to deal with them are unwilling to acknowledge them. Point being, some traffic is obviously going to spill over onto the 407 as a direct result of the ever-expanding mess that is Toronto's public road system.

If price controls were effected on the 407, everybody would start using it and it would become a wreck just like the other roads. Perhaps the owners are treating it as a cash cow, but (a) you really can't blame them, and (b) their high prices are necessary to limit the demand enough to keep that highway usable.

It's not really that difficult a dilemma. Do you pay the premium price for comfort and convenience, or do you take it up the chute so you can get by with the el cheapo/free version? If you try to insist that the premium version should be cheap/free then all you can possibly succeed in doing is to convert it into the crap version.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore yeah, it fucking sucks. BUT you have a choice, pay it to ride on it.... or sit in traffic for sometimes HOURS.

What happens if you pay to ride on it and then it ends up being clogged up too?! haha

I've never been on it, but Cale had to go to Toronto for a business trip a month or so back. He said he used it simply b/c if he had to take the 401 it would have taken a lot longer due to the location he was going to.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 socialized anything is rarely the way to go when you want to save money. The best way is properly regulated private sector delivery. But the key is in the balance struck when it comes to regulation. The 407 is an example of privatization without proper regulation. The P3 hospital deals (which mcguinty kept dispite his "opposition" to them) is a good example of proper regulation when it comes to the private sector

Though I agree a regulated private sector usually provides a better service, this is a case where I do not agree. It's bad enough that we built this road and basically sold it at cost, but now we are being charged through the nose to a to pad some spanish company's poket. An electronic toll road is something even the Ontario government(whoever is in power) could not mess up. They are not providing any type of "service", they are just taking pictures of our plates and sending us the bill, and what is even worse is they are not responsive when we call to complain, as stated in your original post. The money for this could used to generate revenue for the province and at a much lesser price.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Its like comparing apples and beer....the two systems are very different and yet also very similar

how are apples and beer similar?