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Originally posted by Dean Millson that's a matter of opinion i guess. imo he's getting better and better!

yeah fair enough - i dunno i just heard 'the idiots are winning' today was was totally unimpressed. its like pretty crappy kind minimal that isnt minimal and that whole 'intentionally left blank' track thingo has been done i think.

i read a quote somewhere that he said he was gunna see how shit he could take it before people said it was shit. i think he really is doing it.

all imo of course

(hes been one of my all time favs over the last 6 odd years or so too)

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Yeah John Cage did a silent track in the 70's

But Lump is a masterpiece imo.

But i can see where you're coming from

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the wait is on for the 'real' album and then the truth shall prevail i guess.

okay its moshic and sentience time

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Originally posted by DIDI Actually, no, she wasn't !!!The US gives the most in actual dollars terms, but as a portion of GDP they are actually the worst of the wealthier countries They are even worse than Australia Let's face it anyway, how much of the poverty and misery in the world is in part due to Americas changing policies.

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dont forget america has its own problems and its own poor to worry about. nothing states that any country owes any other some kind of support. be thankful that countries like the US exist because if other regimes were "in power" the 3rd world would receive far less.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ' dont forget america has its own problems and its own poor to worry about. nothing states that any country owes any other some kind of support. be thankful that countries like the US exist because if other regimes were "in power" the 3rd world would receive far less.

I think on balance the US does far more damage than good in this world. Maybe if they paid their UN dues I might think a little more kindly of them.

It's currently popular to hate the americans, but theyre still one of the largest contributers to the UN and even when it's running at a huge budget blowout like it is now, no one else is chipping in.
Personally I dont know why they bother, they donate billions in foreign aid to countries that consistantly vote against them and to some degree, hate them as well.
All's said and done, theyre the only ones doing anything out there in an active military role, you might not agree where or why they are sent but no one else is doing it on such a scale.

Coming down to brass tacks, if say Indonesia got plunged into a violent conflict with it's neighbours to the north of us or in widespread civil war, who do you think would try to stop it?
Certainly not going to be the Australian armed forces, they hate Australians more than each other
The chinese? The russians?
And would you really want the chinese and russian armies running around up there?

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Originally posted by Lilith It's currently popular to hate the americans, but theyre still one of the largest contributers to the UN and even when it's running at a huge budget blowout like it is now, no one else is chipping in. Personally I dont know why they bother, they donate billions in foreign aid to countries that consistantly vote against them and to some degree, hate them as well. All's said and done, theyre the only ones doing anything out there in an active military role, you might not agree where or why they are sent but no one else is doing it on such a scale. Coming down to brass tacks, if say Indonesia got plunged into a violent conflict with it's neighbours to the north of us or in widespread civil war, who do you think would try to stop it? Certainly not going to be the Australian armed forces, they hate Australians more than each other The chinese? The russians? And would you really want the chinese and russian armies running around up there?

God it's years since I've heard anyone use the "Save us from The yellow hordes to the North" line.

America will do what it always does, protect it's own interests! [I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that!] We've got heaps of natural resources!!Lots and lots of uranium!! Gee we might even get our own liberation force, oh wait, it's here and it's called John Howard!!
The sad thing is that at the moment a large number of americans are not happy with what their country is doing in the world but they are drowned out by the people who jump up everytime anyone says anything critical, with the "It's fashionable to hate America" line. Which is just a pathetic effort to justify little things like the invasion of Iraq.

I have enormous respect for the americans who not only aknowledge the problems of the world but actively try to right them. Bill and Melinda Gates are a great example.

Most of the world is just too busy just trying to survive to hate America.

I can't believe you actually gave them kudos for their "active military role" and scope thereof

Now if you want a fullon political debate here , I suggest we head off to the political forum and leave it until Monday because I'm having fun this weekend

Nah, I'll just do it here, seeing as this is the 'going to pooh' thread

"Save us from The yellow hordes to the North"
Where did I use that line?
Oh, thats right, I didnt.

I repeat it for you again.
Who would you trust too mop up a hypothetical violent conflict close to the northern borders of Australia?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

Heres a related question for you.
Should there be a hypothetical violent conflict to the northern borders of Australia which crosses the international boundaries, who do you think will bother to do anything about it?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

And our last one seeing as you have a weekend too think about it.
Should there be a hypothetical natural disaster in Australia which requires large amounts of foreign aid to repair the countries infrastructure. Who will be the majority contributer?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

Where was I trying to justify the invasion of Iraq?
Oh, thats right, I didnt.

america contribute so much to the un cos they practically own it.

ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us.

remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse america contribute so much to the un cos they practically own it. ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us. remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

Oh and Lilith, if you are seriously interested in a good debate using actual facts and figures rather than pedantic arguments on who accused who of saying what!, I'll see you in the political forum monday. Have a good weekend.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us. remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

Then you've probably not heard of the PRC–Vietnamese War of 1979 have you?
Meh, if I'm available monday I'll try.

nah i have - i aint saying china are saints either. i would prefer them tho over america

america does very similar things - its just gets to our ears in a very different way.

and pkc - yeah true america does have its own poor to worry about - pity they dont hey

okay enough politics for saturday morning lol

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Last edited by Light The Fuse on Dec-02-2006 at 02:29