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Originally posted by cassa.de.x Fair enough. So if I was using monitors or hooked into a club sound system then I'd limit the levels in the green and leave it up to the speakers/amp to help with the rest. For recording I'm still going to push it so that once rendered, the mix sounds good and clean in headphones and in a car stereo system...

so now you are going to record a set full of square waves so you can potentially damage any sound system your mix touches. ya know what, if i was as smart as you, i'd be designing sound systems for the biggest baddest clubs and studios all over the planet. thank you for humbling me with your infinite wisdom and untouchable common sense.

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Originally posted by Vero so now you are going to record a set full of square waves so you can potentially damage any sound system your mix touches. ya know what, if i was as smart as you, i'd be designing sound systems for the biggest baddest clubs and studios all over the planet. thank you for humbling me with your infinite wisdom and untouchable common sense.

The mixes I've recorded with the Pio mixer (not peaking even one bar in the yellow) are louder; let's say my car volume is 15 usually with Pio mixes; with 62 mixes I might have to turn it to 17 to hear an equal amount of detail. Also I think it has to do with Pio adding greater lows in its output.

You're a bit of a snob, Vero. Chill out, brother, I'm just looking for opinions, not start a fight about sinusoidal curves and challenge your credentials...

Storyteller, I do normalize all my mixes already.

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Originally posted by djimmersion I hate it when you get a DJ who trys matching cue volume with master volume beacuse he hasnt ever used a mixer with only one volume meter. or they make the mistake of using the gain as a volume control and dont think about gain structure, it really sucks when they do this crap on your equipment.

i think i'm mis-understanding you. on my mixers when i set up, i always tune the mixer in a way that the cue and master meter match.

i will turn the master, and all the gain knobs down to zero. then i play the loudest part of a song, and adjust the gain to where it peaks @ 0db, then i start to open up the master up until that peaks at 0db to make it mirror the cue meter's read out. then i have a ruler (any stick, or piece of wood/metal will work also) handy to wrap the knuckles of anybody who dares to touch the master knob.

i do this because a lot of times, the party is too loud to be able to match the volumes cleanly in the headphones, the way i can do it home. so having the mixer set up this way does help by giving you a visual cue so you see whether you are not giving enough gain, or giving too much gain to the next track before you actually start your transition. one less thing to worry about when you are actually mixing.

or are you saying that you hate dj's that actually mess w/the master volume to make it match the cue, instead of adjusting the gain on track you are cueing to match the master volume? -this is crazy.

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take this advice from me: before cueing any CD/record, search for the loudest part of the track you want to play in your headphones and set the gain so that it only peaks at 0dB, then you can cue it up, this way you wont peak beyond +3dB while in a mix if you have your faders on full and your EQ's at 12 noon, although you should be ajusting those so that won't happen. and another thing: the channel gain is not a volume control, its proper use is to set the volume of each track to an equal constant, you then use the channel faders and EQ to manage your levels while in a mix, not the other way around.

i'm with you 100% on this. on a side note, but also related to this topic since there are a lot "un-educated" (retarded in my mind) people around doing stupid things...

thing i hate is when people molest my m5g's at parties by twisting the spindle, or messing the the actual plater in order to adjust a track. you're just wreaking havoc on the operating life of the motor. boneheads of this varity really need to learn to use the pitch slider to adjust thier tracks.

but hey, i was the one who spent 600 a piece on those TT's, not them... so why would they care?

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Originally posted by sr126 thing i hate is when people molest my m5g's at parties by twisting the spindle, or messing the the actual plater in order to adjust a track. you're just wreaking havoc on the operating life of the motor. boneheads of this varity really need to learn to use the pitch slider to adjust thier tracks.

? twisting the spindle or dragging fingers can damage operating life of the motor? i don't think that's true.

i won't argue about the merits of pitch riding, sure, it's great, but not as easy for me to do on the fly as using my hands on the record label, platter itself.

but, to suggest that it causes damage to a tech12, i am pretty sure that is just not true.

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Surely it must vary from mixer to mixer.

For example in the manual for my A&H mixer it says to keep the average part of the track at around 0-3 so that any loud parts may peak at 6 and then goes on to say that be careful not to hit 10 as some clipping MAY occur.

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Originally posted by sr126 thing i hate is when people molest my m5g's at parties by twisting the spindle, or messing the the actual plater in order to adjust a track. you're just wreaking havoc on the operating life of the motor. boneheads of this varity really need to learn to use the pitch slider to adjust thier tracks.

there is no contact with the motor and the platter, it's all magnetic

don't worry, your decks are fine

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