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Originally posted by Q5echo we care enough to send the very best...and have them killed for you, Erdega and the entire world to witness. this isn't a game. first off that number you got from InformationClearinghouse.com is wrong. that shit is straight up unregulated propaganda.

Poor child.

John Hopkins University is much more credible than your denied ass.



Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1001442_pf.html

Is that more convincing to you? Wait.. my estimate was about 5000 less. Oh well.. thats just 5000 arabs..who cares

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 So listening to your Generals who told you that invading a country, destroying the fuck out of it, and trying to rebuild its infrastructure and government aptly needed many more troops than Rummy's small quick-hit military was somehow a bad idea and puts me in direct contradiction with history?

well it obviously worked to a point. to the point that has brought our successes. to the point where we grossly underestimated the ruthlessness and savagery of a small group of fundies? to the point where we give the benefit of the doubt to violent interlopers and enablers like Iran and Syria (you got me here by the way there was and still is no excuse for that).

i know this is a shitty argument and being in a position defending warfare at all is almost indefencable from a pragmatic standpoint but look, if it wasn't for terror where would Iraq be right now? a better place right? we've been underestimating terror for decades on every level and will continue to do so. thats human. but we're not about just give up no matter who doesn't want to help us.

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Is this seriously somehow different in marked contrast to the one you read that I listed earlier?

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Originally posted by Q5echo well it obviously worked to a point. to the point that has brought our successes. to the point where we grossly underestimated the ruthlessness and savagery of a small group of fundies? to the point where we give the benefit of the doubt to violent interlopers and enablers like Iran and Syria (you got me here by the way there was and still is no excuse for that).

Surely you're not calling the insurgency which last I heard is comprised of something like 90-95% of Iraqi citizens and only 5-10% of foreign terrorists a "small ground of fundies"?

Aside of that, of course it worked to a point - invading and overthrowing Saddam was the "easy" part in contrast to rebuilding. Nevermind the fact that Bush mentioned in 2000 that he didn't want to nation build anywhere. Securing the borders and rebuilding the infrastructure was by all means the part that needed a great deal more attention - and this was the part that Rummy was deliberately dismissive of completely.

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i know this is a shitty argument and being in a position defending warfare at all is almost indefencable from a pragmatic standpoint but look, if it wasn't for terror where would Iraq be right now? a better place right? we've been underestimating terror for decades on every level and will continue to do so. thats human. but we're not about just give up no matter who doesn't want to help us.

Well that's great, the next time someone attacks us I hope Australia will be quaking in their boots because we'll likely invade them next.

C'mon, terrorism was the least of concerns to us all for invading Iraq - WMDs were the rationale sold to us all. Terrorism was fought for Afghanistan, and rightfully so since it was the Taliban-sponsored al Qaeda nuts who brought this upon us. Sadly, we fight terrorism now in Iraq as it's become a haven for al Qaeda, but please don't sell us that rationale when our terrorist issues were clearly elsewhere at that time.

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Wow. I just woke up and this thread goes to hell in a hand basket, LOL. Too many neocons running around I guess.

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Originally posted by LazFX all the peace keeping lilith, Shaolin and I did last night all pissed away due to this retard. Why oh Why was he allowed back in??

You're also pretty good at undoing all of it dyde lol. Some people are too emotionally attached to murderous thugs/contracted killers of the state (i.e. soldiers, marines etc. ofcourse not all of them are smart enough to realize what the military really is, some of 'em are good people) and obsessed with "winning," like war (in this case invasion & aggression) is a football game or something. "Go team America!" LOL. I wouldn't blame Cyrus for you and Q5 flipping out .

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Those are not good words to be known for, just in case you forgot. It wasn't one of Rummy's bright spots, to be certain.

Gosh. You could make the argument that they were much more prepared for what they faced than, I dunno, say, every division that stormed the beaches at Normandy that promptly got mowed over and massacred by artillery and machine gun fire. Oh wait--I forgot--that was one of history's most brilliant military maneuvers. So no, I don't necessarily agree with you that they "aren't good words to be known for." They are true words spoken that have been twisted by the opposition to gain a political upper-hand.

As I've said many times before, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow (not my quote, of course). To then use hindsight for political gain by criticizing imperfect planning is not honorable nor respectful. To use it for better future planning and constructive criticism, however, is. So please kindly shut the fuck up already. I'm not fooled by your antics and no 8 page reply by you citing every editorial you can get your hands on will change that, IMHO.

Happy New Year to you and the Mrs., by the way. Sincerely.

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Originally posted by Q5echo

loooool

Good job America,good job for making another Iranian state.

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Originally posted by LazFX I work hard for my money.

But i thought you are one of those illegal Mexicans no?

I can def use someone to do some gardening around here in the summer if you like.

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Originally posted by LazFX p.s. I have noticed that Hardcore only gets stupid when Cyrus is around...

do you sit around like a loser all day to see who posts on TRANCEADDICT?? get a life man you are like 36 yrs old.

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Originally posted by Shakka Gosh. You could make the argument that they were much more prepared for what they faced than, I dunno, say, every division that stormed the beaches at Normandy that promptly got mowed over and massacred by artillery and machine gun fire. Oh wait--I forgot--that was one of history's most brilliant military maneuvers. So no, I don't necessarily agree with you that they "aren't good words to be known for." They are true words spoken that have been twisted by the opposition to gain a political upper-hand. As I've said many times before, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow (not my quote, of course). To then use hindsight for political gain by criticizing imperfect planning is not honorable nor respectful. To use it for better future planning and constructive criticism, however, is. So please kindly shut the fuck up already. I'm not fooled by your antics and no 8 page reply by you citing every editorial you can get your hands on will change that, IMHO. Happy New Year to you and the Mrs., by the way. Sincerely.

Good post. Too many people are playing monday quarterbackers.
Blabbing on and on and on and on and on like 'one general
said we needed more than 100k troops blah blah blah' then
say 'your military said not to go to war' from that ^^^ one
general making a suggestion.
And all of a sudden these people are experts on foreign
and military affairs lol.

Oh and if we did release figures on the amount of enemies
we kill and arrest, it would be MANY times more than the
amount of our casualties, so yes we're fucking 'Them' up.

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Originally posted by Shakka Gosh. You could make the argument that they were much more prepared for what they faced than, I dunno, say, every division that stormed the beaches at Normandy that promptly got mowed over and massacred by artillery and machine gun fire. Oh wait--I forgot--that was one of history's most brilliant military maneuvers. So no, I don't necessarily agree with you that they "aren't good words to be known for." They are true words spoken that have been twisted by the opposition to gain a political upper-hand. As I've said many times before, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow (not my quote, of course). To then use hindsight for political gain by criticizing imperfect planning is not honorable nor respectful. To use it for better future planning and constructive criticism, however, is. So please kindly shut the fuck up already. I'm not fooled by your antics and no 8 page reply by you citing every editorial you can get your hands on will change that, IMHO. Happy New Year to you and the Mrs., by the way. Sincerely.

yup.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Surely you're not calling the insurgency which last I heard is comprised of something like 90-95% of Iraqi citizens and only 5-10% of foreign terrorists a "small ground of fundies"?

in a country of 25 million given a insurgency strength of, say 60,000 i'd say less than a 1/4% is "a small group of fundies"