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First of all, there was no ‘test for virginity’ needed/used. In spite of the elaborate/miraculous one created by the later rabbi’s (ingenious, but altogether unnecessary) using the Urim and Thummim (!), the ‘test for virginity’ in the ANE was a simple visual one:

And he knows this -- how? Talk about speculation...

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Originally posted by Aristronica religion discussion on a sunday afternoon in about the most liberal forum in the world. no fucking thank you. you f*ckers are crazy. /eating some cheerios and not contributing to this thread whatsoever.

plus fucken ONE... and i hope this thread doesn't turn into more mormon bashing.. my religions been hated on enough in here lately..

oh, and i'm eating multi-grain cheerios, how about you?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles And he knows this -- how? Talk about speculation...

are you asking this epistemologically?

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel plus fucken ONE... and i hope this thread doesn't turn into more mormon bashing.. my religions been hated on enough in here lately..

what about the fundamentalists?
i got nothing against regular mormons but...well yeah
the flds are kinda crazy

then again, fundamentalist _______s are as well

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel oh, and i'm eating multi-grain cheerios, how about you?

I refuse to be eaten after multi-grain cheerios.

So, anybody here believe that the earth is six to ten thousand years old?

[That's the first question on the fundie test, if you didn't know.]

no no straight up cheerios. multi-grain? what is that? a lame attempt to make it "healthy"?

The first assumption of an apologist is that his opponent doesn't know what he is talking about.

After all, that must necessarily be the case if the Bible is divinely inspired -- anyone who thinks otherwise is as wrong as wrong can be, and is assumed to be so from the get-go.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So, anybody here believe that the earth is six to ten thousand years old? [That's the first question on the fundie test, if you didn't know.]

I dont think YEC is necessarily Fundamentalism. Key word being necessarily.

Not that I am a YEC, because that argument is ultimately pointless. Has nothing to do with basic values of Christianity.

All these other issues are rather ancillary to the idea of what Christianity is about.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The first assumption of an apologist is that his opponent doesn't know what he is talking about. After all, that must necessarily be the case if the Bible is divinely inspired -- anyone who thinks otherwise is as wrong as wrong can be, and is assumed to be so from the get-go.

An apologist is more likely someone who has just as valid a claim for something as you do against